Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But equally some lives would still have been lost no matter what, because lives will always be lost in motorsport, just as in life.

(By the way, I know exactly what reaction this comment will produce from some unimaginative quarters.)

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I agree with that to a certain extent, the human body isn't really made to go racing and people will always die, but should we not learn lessons from specific incidents and apply them going forward? Isn't it also prudent to look at the risks, evaluate them and make changes to lessen the risk?

I mean you work as an aviation journalist am I right? Do Airbus and Boeing take a reactionary attitude towards safety? :mark:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Once again ioan you have ignored what I have said and suggested I have no regard for human life. Well done, I mean that, well done. :dozey:

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You've still not answered my question, lets say two drivers die in the next race from injuries from flying wheels and other bits of car. What do we do?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But equally some lives would still have been lost no matter what, because lives will always be lost in motorsport, just as in life.

(By the way, I know exactly what reaction this comment will produce from some unimaginative quarters.)

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I agree, there is no such thing as 100% safe, however there is space for improvement in F1.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You've still not answered my question, lets say two drivers die in the next race from injuries from flying wheels and other bits of car. What do we do?

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Nothing, or do you suggest that their lives are more important than the show and the F1 rules/definitions?! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Nothing, or do you suggest that their lives are more important than the show and the F1 rules/definitions?! ;)

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The thing I don't get Ioan is that people are saying that things should be reactionary and that we don't need to be proactive about things. But the fact is that Massa has already been hit in the head and was close to being blind and/or a vegetable plus there's poor Henry Surtees who had an accident that could easily happen in F1 which killed him. It almost seems like people need to see a fatal or debilitating injury happen in F1 for it to suddenly be relevant to F1 which is a silly attitude IMHO. I mean if someone dies in an accident in a lower rally class and that accident is conceivably possible in a WRCar then you'd hope the designers of the WRCar would try to account for it and minimise the risk, rather than needing the accident to happen to a WRCar before they do anything about it.....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The thing I don't get Ioan is that people are saying that things should be reactionary and that we don't need to be proactive about things. But the fact is that Massa has already been hit in the head and was close to being blind and/or a vegetable plus there's poor Henry Surtees who had an accident that could easily happen in F1 which killed him. It almost seems like people need to see a fatal or debilitating injury happen in F1 for it to suddenly be relevant to F1 which is a silly attitude IMHO. I mean if someone dies in an accident in a lower rally class and that accident is conceivably possible in a WRCar then you'd hope the designers of the WRCar would try to account for it and minimise the risk, rather than needing the accident to happen to a WRCar before they do anything about it.....

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It's this bloody human nature. rest assured if someone from their family would have been at the receiving end they would sing a different tune.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can appreciate fans are concerned for the safety of their hero's and I class myself in that camp. But where do we draw the line? Moto GP riders race with nothing but a leather suit for protection when they come off. Admittedly the tracks are alot safer nowadays with run off areas and extra padding on tyre walls, but that also applies to F1. The Isle of Man TT had 3 riders lose their lives last weekend because they race on closed public roads and on a circuit that is far too long to make completely safe. Do we cancel the event because every year somebody dies? Or do we let it continue the way it is and accept that every rider that enters the event is aware of the risk? I saw no calls on the TT thread calling for safety measures because people were actually dying.. Its an event afterall that has lost more riders in its history than F1 and they experience this on a yearly basis. F1 has not lost a driver (thank goodness) for 17 years, yet it creates more of an issue than sports with a higher mortality rate? In RallyING we see modified road cars competing on tracks littered with danger be it public roads or forrest stages, yet its allowed to continue. We saw with Robert Kubica how easily it can all go wrong when faced with a safety barrier that was not up to spec.

All these sports could be made safer in reality but the money has to come from somewhere. In our case its most likely the fans who would pay. How much would it cost the secure the entire TT circuit , every garden wall, kerb, Lamppost postbox etc etc? How much would it cost to wrap every tree close to the track on a rally stage? Going health and safety mad also carries a price in the way it takes away the appeal. I might be classed as a nutter who enjoys watching people die by some here who fail to read my posts, but I enjoy Grand Prix racing because its open wheeled, and you can see the driver. Its fast, its dangerous and its fun. I've raced go karts for years and I have never asked for a roll cage to be fitted because it looks stupid and I like the feeling of taking a corner flat out with the adrenaline hit of knowing something could go wrong. Call it weird but its racing and I love it. :)

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Each to his own I guess.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

No disrespect, but "It should be in the future because it was in the past" isn't really a valid reason :)

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Sure it is. It's the main reason Monaco is still on the calendar.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can appreciate fans are concerned for the safety of their hero's and I class myself in that camp. But where do we draw the line? Moto GP riders race with nothing but a leather suit for protection when they come off. Admittedly the tracks are alot safer nowadays with run off areas and extra padding on tyre walls, but that also applies to F1. The Isle of Man TT had 3 riders lose their lives last weekend because they race on closed public roads and on a circuit that is far too long to make completely safe. Do we cancel the event because every year somebody dies? Or do we let it continue the way it is and accept that every rider that enters the event is aware of the risk? I saw no calls on the TT thread calling for safety measures because people were actually dying.. Its an event afterall that has lost more riders in its history than F1 and they experience this on a yearly basis. F1 has not lost a driver (thank goodness) for 17 years, yet it creates more of an issue than sports with a higher mortality rate? In RallyING we see modified road cars competing on tracks littered with danger be it public roads or forrest stages, yet its allowed to continue. We saw with Robert Kubica how easily it can all go wrong when faced with a safety barrier that was not up to spec.

All these sports could be made safer in reality but the money has to come from somewhere. In our case its most likely the fans who would pay. How much would it cost the secure the entire TT circuit , every garden wall, kerb, Lamppost postbox etc etc? How much would it cost to wrap every tree close to the track on a rally stage? Going health and safety mad also carries a price in the way it takes away the appeal. I might be classed as a nutter who enjoys watching people die by some here who fail to read my posts, but I enjoy Grand Prix racing because its open wheeled, and you can see the driver. Its fast, its dangerous and its fun. I've raced go karts for years and I have never asked for a roll cage to be fitted because it looks stupid and I like the feeling of taking a corner flat out with the adrenaline hit of knowing something could go wrong. Call it weird but its racing and I love it. :)

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All that and you still don't seem to say what you feel should be done if there were fatalities in F1 from these sorts of injuries.

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

Sure it is. It's the main reason Monaco is still on the calendar.

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At the same time though Monaco has change a lot from what it used to be.