Prostitution

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Why, has he been at the "boys" already?

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Don't think he's interested in such things. Whether he is or not I'm not intersted either.
Hope it's clear now.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I used the robbery example just because the reasons that were mentioned in favour of prostitution could very easily be applied to thiefs.
Otherwise I dare say you'll have some surprises to know how people think over here NOW. :laugh:

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But you have to concede that the comparison isn't really valid. Robbery, rape, or even forced prostitution are not consensual acts. I thought what we were discussing was a financial transaction (involving sex) between two *consenting* adults.

But if someone has moral objections to prostitution, I understand that. I have never used the services of prostitute... not overtly anyway. But I can't say that I've never been with girls whose primary attraction to me was a trip that I might take them on or something like that. I've always been too cheap (and proud) to pay a girl or even to buy expensive gifts for random girls. But (way) back in my "bad old days", it wasn't so uncommon for me to meet someone on a Friday night and end up renting an expensive hotel suite for the weekend. The way I see it now, that was sort of a "financial arrangement", true? Back then, maybe some girl would see my car or the watch that I was wearing and figure that I would be a good catch for some period of time. I wasn't. But maybe that's what some of them thought.

I did go to a wedding back in the 90's, and a guy I knew in college brought an escort as his date. He didn't tell anybody, though we wondered how a guy who had been a complete dork in school could land a quasi-model. She let the cat out of the bag to some of our dates after some drinks. I don't know if she slept with him (truly a prostitute), but she was paid to be his "girlfriend" for that weekend. Kind of a mini-scandal at the wedding and reception. But the way I saw it... they were both adults, so what will be, will be.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But you have to concede that the comparison isn't really valid. Robbery, rape, or even forced prostitution are not consensual acts. I thought what we were discussing was a financial transaction (involving sex) between two *consenting* adults.

But if someone has moral objections to prostitution, I understand that. I have never used the services of prostitute... not overtly anyway. But I can't say that I've never been with girls whose primary attraction to me was a trip that I might take them on or something like that. I've always been too cheap (and proud) to pay a girl or even to buy expensive gifts for random girls. But (way) back in my "bad old days", it wasn't so uncommon for me to meet someone on a Friday night and end up renting an expensive hotel suite for the weekend. The way I see it now, that was sort of a "financial arrangement", true? Back then, maybe some girl would see my car or the watch that I was wearing and figure that I would be a good catch for some period of time. I wasn't. But maybe that's what some of them thought.

I did go to a wedding back in the 90's, and a guy I knew in college brought an escort as his date. He didn't tell anybody, though we wondered how a guy who had been a complete dork in school could land a quasi-model. She let the cat out of the bag to some of our dates after some drinks. I don't know if she slept with him (truly a prostitute), but she was paid to be his "girlfriend" for that weekend. Kind of a mini-scandal at the wedding and reception. But the way I saw it... they were both adults, so what will be, will be.

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You put it all most eloquently. I very much agree.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But you have to concede that the comparison isn't really valid. Robbery, rape, or even forced prostitution are not consensual acts. I thought what we were discussing was a financial transaction (involving sex) between two *consenting* adults.

But if someone has moral objections to prostitution, I understand that. I have never used the services of prostitute... not overtly anyway. But I can't say that I've never been with girls whose primary attraction to me was a trip that I might take them on or something like that. I've always been too cheap (and proud) to pay a girl or even to buy expensive gifts for random girls. But (way) back in my "bad old days", it wasn't so uncommon for me to meet someone on a Friday night and end up renting an expensive hotel suite for the weekend. The way I see it now, that was sort of a "financial arrangement", true? Back then, maybe some girl would see my car or the watch that I was wearing and figure that I would be a good catch for some period of time. I wasn't. But maybe that's what some of them thought.

I did go to a wedding back in the 90's, and a guy I knew in college brought an escort as his date. He didn't tell anybody, though we wondered how a guy who had been a complete dork in school could land a quasi-model. She let the cat out of the bag to some of our dates after some drinks. I don't know if she slept with him (truly a prostitute), but she was paid to be his "girlfriend" for that weekend. Kind of a mini-scandal at the wedding and reception. But the way I saw it... they were both adults, so what will be, will be.

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All good points Jag, but there is a flip side to every coin. Does anyone here really think that making prostitution legal will end all the prostitutes doing it in a black market fashion and thus avoiding any police presence?

And to some extent, all societies draw a line of morals in the sand when they create the laws of that country/state/region. Two consenting adults could also agree to make crack and smoke it, but society for the most part would still frown upon it.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But you have to concede that the comparison isn't really valid. Robbery, rape, or even forced prostitution are not consensual acts. I thought what we were discussing was a financial transaction (involving sex) between two *consenting* adults.

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I'm already tired to explain. Somebody ( henner?) said that "Prostitution will also always be seen as immoral, but its also something that will never be eradicated regardless of what label is slapped on it. It's the oldest industry in the world and there will always be a market for it".

What I meant was related to this motivation to legalise prostitution. Because either robbery will never be eradicated and is probably as old as prostitution.

Now believe what you want.

Otherwise, despite latest debates, my point of view on this issue was expressed on page 2 and I mantain it. I shall not risk again to post on this thread.

During my posts of the last weeks I used to exclaim Fatality! - as things in my life are more and more related to the threads of this forum.

Fatality again! Just received an email from a certain WorldSex69 with the title "I want you! New job opportunities". Don't dare to open it.
Scary......

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Originally Posted by airshifter

All good points Jag, but there is a flip side to every coin. Does anyone here really think that making prostitution legal will end all the prostitutes doing it in a black market fashion and thus avoiding any police presence?

And to some extent, all societies draw a line of morals in the sand when they create the laws of that country/state/region. Two consenting adults could also agree to make crack and smoke it, but society for the most part would still frown upon it.

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My thoughts would be more toward decriminalizing prostitution, rather than legalizing it. It's a very subtle difference, as that which isn't illegal is effectively legal. But I think it's rather ridiculous for police agencies to spend countless man hours, and the scant resources they have, trying to bust prostitutes and their customers, when more serious criminal cases are left to die on the vine. I'm not an extreme libertarian on social issues. But in most cases, whether it's prostitution, pornography, drugs, moonshine liquor, etc., my basic view is that what two consenting adults decide to do with, or put in their bodies, is their business. I may not approve. It might be harmful to them. And I may see it as immoral too. But as long as it involves consenting adults, and they keep their private affairs private (unlike streetwalkers, selling drugs or moonshine on a public street or whatever), I'm generally not for the government acting as a nanny.

I do agree with you that (just like with pornography) it should depend on prevailing community standards. But there are a great many things that can be seen as immoral, yet are still (technically) legal. Many moons ago, I owned a small mortgage broker, and later worked for a couple of mortgage banks after my partners and I sold our firm. And though we didn't do the things that became commonplace in the early 2000's in mortgage banking (subprime for the average borrower/average property didn't truly exist back then), I'm sure that we did many things which many/most here might call "immoral" or "unethical". But they were not illegal. I have a very different life view now than I did then. So I wouldn't defend how I saw things or did things back then. But still, I can't see it being a good use of resources to try to criminalize each and every act which some consider to be immoral or unethical.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I'm already tired to explain. Somebody ( henner?) said that "Prostitution will also always be seen as immoral, but its also something that will never be eradicated regardless of what label is slapped on it. It's the oldest industry in the world and there will always be a market for it".

What I meant was related to this motivation to legalise prostitution. Because either robbery will never be eradicated and is probably as old as prostitution.

Now believe what you want.

Otherwise, despite latest debates, my point of view on this issue was expressed on page 2 and I mantain it. I shall not risk again to post on this thread.

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Please don't think that I was trying to paint you into a corner or change your mind - I wasn't. I was just making the point that things which are not consensual cannot be accurately compared to things which are consensual... even though both acts might have existed since the beginning of time.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ioane, you're just an old whore! ( to set the record straight, in romanian it's not an offence but an appreciation, it means someone with a lot of experience, someone who can't be fooled, etc. ).

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OK, I'll take that as a compliment! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

You elegantly avoided my question...
I obviously wasn't interested on why you attended a strip club. I'm (still) interested on why you weren't (yet) at the "girls".

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Because I've never seen a whore that looks as good as a stripper. I've really never been attracted to whores.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think the reason prostitution is illegal in many countries is because our politicians are afraid to lose votes through an unpopular move amongst certain classes and its a very difficult industry to tax. Sharing an experience is very different to producing a product for sale.

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That's how it is.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

During my posts of the last weeks I used to exclaim Fatality! - as things in my life are more and more related to the threads of this forum.

Fatality again! Just received an email from a certain WorldSex69 with the title "I want you! New job opportunities". Don't dare to open it.
Scary......

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Go ahead open it, if you don't you might regret it for a lifetime! :D