Hmmm mixed feelings...
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Hmmm mixed feelings...
Awesome!!! See how he goes with the roads down there, hopefully he stays on them for three days!
Despite I think he was going to WRC level too early (at least one year).
Citigo Rally.. Maybe the next rally car from Skoda
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...0d9e5947d0.jpg
The context is very different, but Sordo's step back in Corsica last Friday and Saturday was maybe two steps forward. IMO it would be better for Neuville to have again the feeling of a win than only participate in NZ. It's clear that the team is thinking that someday he'll need this experience to have the chance to win in NZ. You never know what's the right choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Latvala: "It's true that VW is interested in me. Timo Jouhki (his manager) is currently discussing with the leaders of German team. My priority is to have a competitive car in 2013. But before taking a decision, I want to talk with Ford. I feel good about this team and, as the Fiesta is competitive, I can also decide to stay. So nothing is done yet.
AUTOhebdo.fr | WRC - Latvala se dit prt pour la Grce
VW sucks if they sign him.
No, they dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I doubt it will ever happen, I reckon MW would rather chain him to the gates of M sport than make the same mistake as Citroen when they got rid of Ogier!
I cant see these two in a team, IMO its asking for trouble...
Hirvonen needs to be at VW, at least he might have the chance to stand at the top of the podium there.
It would be a joke if VW starts a new era with two drivers who were thought to be the future of Citroen and Ford.
I’m starting to think that Rally of Spain will be a sure choice for VW this year (regardless an earlier debut of the car). These are some reasons to say it:
- They’ll be able to compare with the other teams gravel and tarmac times.
- There won’t be better publicity for the car than Sainz in it on the Spanish stages. Thousands of Spanish fans would follow the rally and support him (for the same reason they used Lemes only for that rally last year). French border is also near for the Ogier supporters.
- It’s the last rally of the season. The development of the car will reach a level similar to the one they’ll bring to Montecarlo.
- They’re testing now in Catalonia. When they tested out of private roads, it was always after the events where they ran with the Skodas, using their locations, or in Spain (they've also tested there before). It seems that they’re preparing something...
I agree about your comments on Sordo and Corsica and Neuville going to NZ. He is not yet ready for the WRC full time and could end up like Duval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Unfortunately in Auto Action Magazine this week Yves Matton said that he and PSA did not mind if NZ was permanently dropped as "they have not interest in going there" (I assume for selling cars or doing the event with the WRC team; sorry I cannot post a link as they do not have a online service I can find). I expect then that Neuville's participation could be to help Nasser in the M2 points if nothing else (maxrally.com has something on this angle) NZ is not always kind to first timers so it is not yet prudent to make any claims about his possible results.
Hey Plan, any broader thoughts on the above observation? I've watched NZ rounds since middle of the 80s since we had a good number of NZ rally guys visiting up here in the NW of USA--doubtless via Rod Millen's good work in US Championship---and from what I can see as a driver myself the roads look real nice and fun, maybe just a bit fast but didn't look particularly difficult..Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
What do you figure makes it rough for first timers down there?
Well, firstly I hope it is as enjoyable to drive as it is to watch. The speed and sometimes the weather were concerns I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Thanks for the comment. Clearly he has the time to improve. He is young and very well funded. Indeed we can wait as long as you would like but there is no denying he has made his WRC break at a young age and does not have the consistency of some of his peers. Tarmac is probably not so much an issue as gravel is where the championship is set for now. I have not seen to date that he has learned from his mistakes and money does not grow on trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Duval also had the problem of being in Ford with someone of similar speed to him to being with Loeb! Could we also say that Ogier was close to Loeb as well on tarmac? Markko also won the odd tarmac event too...
Skoda have created a Rally version of the Citigo car!
Skoda to Debut Citigo Rally and DJ Concepts at the 2012 Wörthersee Tour - Carscoop
It's just a show car for Wörthersee tuning festival. I strongly hope the R5 will be based on Fabia III (to come next year) and not on this ugly tiny thing (CitiGo is only 3,5 meters long!).
OUCHHHH.THIS ONE HURTS!!!! World Rally series is a
my eyes bleed now... thank you.
For a supposed 'renowned expert' seems a little bit emotional and lacking in actual suggestions or pointing out the problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
OK, so a top flight rally car costs 400k, but that's hardly aimed at your grass roots competitor. You can still rally a 40k car!
In very much I agree. But paid drivers earned maybe 5 million E back in the 90´s and early 00´s. And the costs I do believe is at same level today as for 10-15 yrs ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
But - where is the excitement? Is it because only Loeb always winning. Has FIA let down WRC for others? Why is the TV-coverage so bad? FIA don´t do what´s expected from them, that´s what I think...
He has some very good points, why would any manufacturer want to compete in a motorsport that is insanely expensive and doesnt return much thanks to crappy coverage. He also obviously doesnt like the FIA and the little fat man who could...Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
The cost of cars are completely unsustainable - it might be good for the Manufacturers, but it's not good for the health of the sport. The sport needs to get real..£300-400,000 for a WRCar is a joke, 10 years ago there were about 15-20 Factory seats. While the article doesn't say anything new for Rallyfans, it's pretty damning for 'Joe Public' and your average Motorsport/F1 fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Do You really believe that the problem for manufacturers is cost of the cars? In my opinion not. It's problem for privateers but not for manufacturers. The problem with manufacturers is that there is very little return - rallying is almost invisible in media. Common people in their everyday talks discuss football, rugby or ice hockey but WRC? Have You ever heard someone discussing WRC in a metro, bus, pub etc.? I don't remember a single one...
That's what we are all except Finns talking here. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
The point is that you cannot have any return with how boring the championship is. Ok for manufacteurs the only problem is the invisibility of the sport but you cannot make it visible only with good coverage. You are not seeing the big picture here, in order to have followers we need excitment and a bit of madness ( like Colin's attitude for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
As much as I like new cars we need cheaper ones, we need privateers making headlines with their achievements.
WTCC has huge TV coverage and promotion, cheap cars, tight competitive regulations but is still nowhere at popularity, and only one manufacturer. And only one winner despite half the races leaders start in reverse order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
WTCC only gets the same sort of audience as WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Eurosport claim around 470 million across the season, whereas the WRC claims slightly above 500 million.
It's rubbish racing though. I can see why the manufacturers having been queueing to get out the door.
That's the point. As much as we hate F1 drivers with their "ladyboys" attitude, who make covers because they spent the night with hookers and alcohol, they bring the attention to the sport. I think F1 still does a bit well because of the personas they have on the sport. I dont like it but we have to face that some F1 drivers who sleep with wannabe celebrities of pop music and whatever bring lots of attention to the sport from all over the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
One winner? Care to explain.....?
Plus I think the FIA is just joking around. Todt is the biggest dissapointment for me. It looks like he toke the job not for love but to fill his pockets.
He's a very rich man taking on a job for which you don't get paid to fill his pockets? Uh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
I admit he's seemingly not very decisive in what he's doing, but I can't see how it's to gain riches....
You won't get cheap cars under current homologation rules when only original parts are allowed. Sure plenty of companies all over the world are able to sell S2000 driveshaft for less than 2000 Euro...Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Could they even fit a 1.6T engine and 4x4 drivetrain into the Citgo, if they wanted to? This showcar for Worthsee doesn't look too bad, in a chunky kind of way though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
There are rumours that Skoda UK want to launch a one-make rally series with the Citigo, so maybe an R1 is on the cards?
For me it's fugly...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
How much did the best rally car cost in the mid-70s?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
During those 37 years the inflation has made all the numbers a lot bigger. The US inflation calculators give the change of nearly 400% and UK one 700%. So basically a current WRC worth 400k would had cost 58k in the 1975.
Just out of curiosity for You that its not only inflation what matters worldwide ;) In 2002 when Czech driver Pech bought Focus WRC from M-Sport 1 GBP was nearly 60 CZK. Today 1 GBP is 31 CZK. USD ten years a go was around 40 CZK, today it's 20 CZK.
But AndyRac and that old man whose name I can't remember now, both claimed that the cost of the cars is too high. And both of them are from the UK, so inflation data from the Bank of England should be enough.
Of course the strength of each currency matters world wide.
The real thing: Skoda Citigo Rally revealed at Worthersee | News | Auto ExpressQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I would prefer an 'F3' too but maybe VAG don't want Skoda's rally car to be the same size as the Polo?