No. There is difference in FIA ideas among the years. It was same with "senior" category. In ERC it was refused and few years later introduced in WRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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No. There is difference in FIA ideas among the years. It was same with "senior" category. In ERC it was refused and few years later introduced in WRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I am not little girl that can be inspired to became rally driver but if I would, I think I would be more inspired if I see female driver competing like equal with male drivers than see female drivers having their own little competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
From rally fan perspective, I also don't like Lia Block choosing circuit racing route.
The selection pool for female competitors is very small in all motorsport so it's statistically improbable to have competitors at top level. Such programmes are intended to show that it's possible and increase interest with the idea that with increased interest there will be a higher selection pool and therefore a higher chance of someone talented appearing. It's perhaps anecdotal but interesting how 15 years after Leena Gade was featured in Audi's Truth in 24 II Le Mans film there are several female race engineers and strategists working at high level including F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
I am not arguing about programme. I like idea to make sure top female talent would get funding. I am arguing against women-only cups.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Same with Toyota promoting Japanese drivers. I think it's cool they are doing it but "non-European drivers championships" would be silly.
That's intertwined. First you need to get the female competitors on board and by not having this female cups where they and their sponsors get attention you end with having no female competitors at all because in past fourty years no woman has been able to make it in the rallying top level on her own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
I wouldn't take it as a gender thing. For me it's basically the same like when you create a cup for juniors. You do that because you want to help them in their career which would otherwise be much harder.
For me it's more like you are supporting driver of specific nationality, like Toyota did with Katsuta and Hiroki Arai. You find some young drivers with potential and not exactly let them "make it on their own" but make sure they have right opportunities to develop. Female driver would quite naturally get attention once she will reach solid WRC2 skill level, also from sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Ladies Trophy didn't bring too much attention, if Search Tool doesn't lie, it didn't even had own thread on this forum despite being run by many years.
It still brough more girls to the international rallying than any other activity in decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
Sadly nobody has succeeded in what you propose in past fourty years. In theory it's of course right but in real life it never worked that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
Were even serious attempts to do it in past 40 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
And he does get a chance! Neuville will also participate in Orlen Lietuva Rally 2024Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Interesting to see what cars they will be using. I have understood that there is one testing car which was used by Tänak in ERC Rally Estonia. So I assume they could repair that?
No please & No thank you:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/capit...role-if-asked/
Didn't he leave WIlliams under a cloud of fraud allegations?
Even without this, the WRC doesn't need him around...
Surely not...Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRyxmujX...g&name=900x900
ORLEN Lietuva Rally facebook:
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Many of you have probably already seen Ott Tänak's breathtaking crash during Rally Estonia 2024. 🤯
How is this related to ORLEN Lietuva Rally 2024?
The car driven by Ott was supposed to arrive in Ma˛eiki today, but a painful accident changed the plans of the entire Hyundai Motorsport team, and although the team tried hard to assemble a new car in a few days, due to the lack of details and time resources, T. Neuville unfortunately, but we will not see in our gravel.
So championship leader won't get any test before gravel rallies because his teammate just destroyed the car. Great job, Ott
Do you really think, that it was intentional?Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
lol. Neuville destroyed the car 3 years ago (before 2022 season) at the most critical time when they had to do the final tests before the car homologation. (bcs of that they couldnt test on gravel at all)Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
but of course you dont remember that.
well.. Tanak didn't get to test either :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
To me it is weird that Hyundai is big manu team and you can't find an extra car.. Yes, such crashes rarely happen, but with so tight schedule there should be plan ,,what if..''
Tanak tested it to destruction !Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
And I agree that they should have another car. I saw a visit to M-Sport a few weeks ago and I'm sure there were 7 Puma's in the workshop.
Remember when Paddon crashed the Fiesta WRC before Neste Rally Finland 2019?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But then you have to ask what if and what if some more. What if 2 or 3 are written off in Latvia with Finland so soon? To justify another build they'd need to also expand the testing programme, which they can't and wouldn't want to; or either expand the extra rallies program or find customers in WRC, both which is against the idea of Rally1 and involves a high risk/reward ratio - they just wrote one off for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Ah surely this is bait?Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
I can't remember someone on this forum criticising Tänak legitimately, let alone having a needless dig at an honest mistake of him.
Be honest, back then there were plenty of posts about how Neuville is an idiot and screwed the whole team.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It is unclear if Neuville’s withdrawal from Lietuva Rally is a direct consequence of Tänak’s accident damage, but it would appear likely.
In a statement supplied to DirtFish, Hyundai confirmed: “We decided that due to other activities, Thierry will not participate in the rally in Lithuania. EP will be there as planned.”
Hyundai will also be in the UK this weekend, attending the Goodwood Festival of Speed with Dani Sordo present. DirtFish understands Neuville was originally scheduled to attend before he was entered into Lietuva Rally.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...warm-up-entry/
The car he was testing in and crashed was his car for the rally. He wasnt an official M-Sport driver either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Remember, that Lukyanuk also had one chance to do WRC round - it was aproximetly 8 - 10 years ago in WRC Finland. He crashed hard, almost destroyed Fiesta WRC at pre event tests and his WRC dream was over. Sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I would think they could get another car but not on a less than a week notice.
Car and parts are under overhaul or moving around between rallies.
It wasn't a joke, I'm not afraid of hating Tanak here. Neuville is hated basically every day, so why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
I have nothing personal against Tanak, I'm just complaining about his driving.
Because you can rise above the people who hate (big word, let's say constantly complain about / make up every reason to criticize) another driver because it's not their favourite driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
It's obvious Tanak didn't have a big crash on purpose, he wasn't able to test much either. In any case, I doubt much changes for Neuville: he's first on the road anyway, it's probably going to be dry and it's fast gravel... even with some more testing for the new engine mapping, he'll lose tons of time regardless. He should bring it home hoping others hit trouble, no chance for a big result based on speed. Hopefully he'll get to test for later rallies.
Lets no forget how Neuville crashed the first hybrid test car and postponed their whole development for weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
How do we know it's gonna be dry? It still more than a week away.. But yeah, I agree that not much changes for him. Big time will be lostQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
I don't see what does that have to do with what I wrote. And that was quite academic, since the Hyundai of those years was a trashcan on 4 wheels and testing wasn't going to fix nor redesign suspensions, turbo etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
I said probably, because it's July... unless in the Baltic countries summer is rainy?Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Today there are huge storms, so lets seeQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
This is not true. Why would they bother testing at all if it didn't accomplish anything, especially for a brand-new car? The main issue was that Hyundai started very late. As a result, they had only a limited number of days to test everything. Because Neuville crashed so badly, they couldn't test their new car on gravel at all, which meant they had to homologate the car without knowing how it would perform on gravel. If they had done some testing, they would have had some idea of what was working and what wasn't, giving them a better base to move forward. Instead, they had to guess and homologate based on what they had.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
No, you can't fix something so flawed with just few more test days, especially because they were already running late. Even if let's say the suspension broke during testing (they were testing on asphalt, vast majority of their suspension problems were on gravel), they would have assumed it was just a regular failure. And even if they realized a bigger flaw, would have they been able to change much in such a short time before homologation? Hardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
The reality is that neither Tanak nor Neuville could have won the championship driving that "amazing quality" Hyundai against Kalle's Toyota, not in a milllion years.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...urs-/10633633/
Peter Thul WRC Promoter’s Senior Director of Sport told Autosport/Motorsport.com: "....I also hope if we have good [2027] regulations done by the end of the year..."
and in other news, Wales Rally GB will be back by 2027....they hardly managed getting these regs in time, I highly doubt they'll do that for 2027, I hope they prove me (& any other doubters out there) wrong.
Fair enough. I might not agree with your original comment, but I do share your general sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
It adds a bit of variety to the forum, which sometimes looks like a Tänak appreciation society.
Depends, coud be miserable every day and could be a month long drought. You never know whats your gonna get here.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
But looking at the forecast it looks to be like a high pressure zones over eastern/central europe next week. So looks to be like a dry and dusty rally coming....for now.
WRC set for major presence at Goodwood Festival of Speed starting today
https://www.wrc.com/a/news/w28206_WR...tival-of-Speed
Rally Stage stream (only Sordo here I think, others will do the Hill Climb)...
https://www.youtube.com/live/6OfKXRw...vZ1QSu5pDRi7-G