formula e foruns talking more and more about a hyundai rumor. wec hyperclass also being talked around. could we lose factory team in wrc? they have this new costumer program so i think we could still see hyundais doing rally (r1-, r2+ & r2)
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formula e foruns talking more and more about a hyundai rumor. wec hyperclass also being talked around. could we lose factory team in wrc? they have this new costumer program so i think we could still see hyundais doing rally (r1-, r2+ & r2)
“Getting rid of these cars is a really bad idea! They’re the best things we’ve ever had,”
Guess who said it.
https://rallyjournal.com/wrc-team-bo...ally-bad-idea/
These cars were going nowhere,fast. Getting rid of them was crucial for the survival of the championship. Group Bs were amazing cars, too. But, having fatal or life threatening accidents at every rally was simply not an option. Sometimes, the hard way is the only way.
Is it only me that this doesn’t sound confident at all?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-i...n-the-balance/
And the interview Cyril gave to Autohebdo this weekend sounded even more unsure
Unless Korea gets a WRC round... yet Hankook are the major tyre company soon... I would say Hyundai out at the end of this season or...
Hopefully this will be like 2021 when we thought they’d leave although some 3 years have passed and no championship wins…not looking good.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
so they want a better rule set to be able to sell cars for the top class otherwide they are dead - which implies hybrids are too expensive for costumers - but they dont think the top class should get rid of hybrids cuz they are so fast. i honestly cant understand anything anymore at this point. some last week news also said hyundai was onboard with ditching the hybrids - they even started a new costumer program, which i honestly thought it was related to the new decision - just to say "well we actually dont know now". nothing makes sense anymore, no one knows what they want and no one knows what to do. this is so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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Originally Posted by saco0o
Yup. It seems to me to be either negotiation tactic, "excuse" to pullout or then the parent company has changed strategy and they know they will not get the budget or something if the hybrids go.
It is all big part of politics game.
Tänak doesnt hold his opinion back https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...under-control/
Tänak also raised a specific concern about the potential regulation change for the sport’s top two tiers, adding: “We are reducing a lot of power in Rally1 cars where the chassis and the roll cage is made for protection. And then we are putting a lot more power in a Rally2 car where you don’t have this kind of safety and things.
“I’m really surprised that these guys are happy to take this responsibility for these decisions.
People already drive "Open Class" R5/Rally2 cars with more power (bigger restrictor) but the existing aero.
And of course they drive powerful Historic cars with quite poor safety.
It's up to drivers if they want to take the risk.
Not only. If you regulate it or provide it you also share responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
All the rally events and Series that have long allowed the Open Class R5 and Historics have had no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Cool, but as a general rule you can't say that and walk away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
So he is arguing that the chassis is made for more power than Rally1-2025 will have, so its no point to reduce power?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Has to be something more here, this level of stupid is not mr. Tänak.
We need more teams and more competition, i think what this working-group planning is a step in right direction, what two drivers means is just not interesting.
They have only short-sighted wiew on this, the working-group has to think 10 years in front.
If the manufacturers is not interested any more, its sad, but then FIA/promoter has to do necessary changes to keep the WRC still running.
If its official manufacturers, official semi-profesionell or importers/private teams that will be the next step, noone knows at this point. I hopes it is a combination of these 3.
FIA ruined the WorldRX, actually that championship was at its best as semi-amateur european championship sportswise:)
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Seems you didn’t
TBH Tanak is probably just towing the Manufacturer line in that they dont want the new Rally2+ and cars that could challenge their (lower-powered) Rally1 cars. The 'safety argument' is just a way to help stop them.
i thought the safety argument was good. if the rally2+ cars are getting more power, they need a better rollcage/safety stuff. ott is not wrong, fia said nothing about improving safety for these rally2+ cars, which will also increase costs. i found that point interesting. havent thought about that.
Let's be honest here, with slightly more power and maybe a bit more aerodynamic load, how much faster could an accident really be compared to a normal Rally2? I don't think that the resulting forces at play would be so much bigger than before that those cars suddenly become unsafe.
It's possibly something that Ott has been told to say from the Manufacturer.
On the other side, it's all discussions and potential "safety issues" when we don't even have the full regulations and how the new kits will be.
It's clearly a "political battle" right now.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
And also being honest the one WRC fatality in recent times was in a Rally1 car.
No rally car is ever 100% safe.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/lancia-co...Buzw0TSKtmudJg
So a Lancia return is at least possible, but could be either Rally2, Rally1 or whatever replaces that I guess.
Rally4 too
Stellantis could make its own championship with Peugeot, Citroen, Abarth, Lancia, Opel and Jeep if they wished.
so we will have (both stellantis) "not that updated" citroens while new lancias are released same way we have (both vw group) "not that upgraded" polos while theres new skodas every year? i dont mind that, it makes even more room for even cheaper r5 cars (the 'old' and 'not that upgraded' polos)
I think by the time they enter, Hyundai will be out, so we'll stay with the same amount of manufacturers.
And the FIA’s 2025 WRC rules timeline is too tight for Hyundai to do a “good job” according to Cyril Abiteboul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/t...nges/10594369/
"Rights or wrongs of BoP aside, the WEC is proof that focusing on the long-term future regulations, rather than making tweaks to the current rules, can lead to achieving the desired goals of attracting manufacturers and increasing fan interest. Changing formats to help boost the WRC's appeal while also seeking to bolster the variety at the front is a necessary step. But in trying to fix everything at once, the WRC could damage relationships with those that are currently invested when its main focus should be on getting 2027's technical regulations right."
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...es-in-croatia/
Toyota already have prototypes running, meanwhile Hyundai are allegedly building a new car for next year anyway, can't they also adapt the already work in progress project?
No, they are busy complaining about leaving the series; too little time for 25' spec and building a whole new car for 2025 at the same time.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
While Toyota is already testing possible options..
I don't think they ever said they were building a brand new car, just tweaking the current one.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
"the former Renault Formula 1 boss has now shared his frustrations over the proposals, which have already forced the team to scrap its investment into planned 2025 developments for its i20N Rally1 car. Abiteboul says the updates have been rendered redundant by the technical changes put forward for next year."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/f...4403/10594403/
Was probably thinking of this: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...lly1%20machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
He says "strong development" and "it's an i20". Being a tube frame silhouette I guess the line is blurred.
They were building a brand new car...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I didnt wanted to publish anything here as I am always pesimistic regarding lot of things, so I didnt liked this new rules so much. But when I was talking to people involved in rallysport on various positions, I was surprised how negative about this changes they are. We all know that rallysport is not in a good shape for various reasons. For last few years nobody made anything significant to make it much better. Last autumn they have confirmed that current cars will continue until 2026, they have signed deal with Compact Dynamics. And suddenly, few weeks later they have made new group to think about future of WRC. Another few weeks passed and this group came with revolutional changes in the sport with almost immediate effect. And this changes looks drastical in all ways. And not only public reactions (teams must also thinks politicaly and cannot tell to media everything what they think) of manufactures in Rally1 or Rally2 show that they were not prepared for these changes. And in reality I am not sure if anyone wanted that proposed changes, especially so quickly. For manufacturers it is also a bad signal that regulations and guarantee limits can be easily broken. So stability and confidence to the rules can be easily lost...
I can't believe the WRC is seemingly going to suffer from another Dave Richards fronted revolution...
Besides rally fans, let's see how the F1 fans and media treat this news.
Oh and don't forget how the fans shaped these proposed regulations!
Overrule them. Teams are clearly putting their own interests over the interests of the sport. Toyota wants to retain the status quo, Hyundai is one foot out the door and Ford doesn't have anything to replace the Puma atm. Keeping Rally 1s as they are is a death sentence for WRC.
With, 'what is rally?'...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I was thinking more abuse they get for fucking things up, particularly the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper