WRC Croatia Rally 2021

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25th April 2021, 10:19
EstWRC

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Originally Posted by Pršljen

Well, I'm far away from Zagreb now and that's why I'm super sensitive of possibility of bad organization and loss of slot in the 2022 calendar when I'll be able to come :)

An epic battle awaits us on the PS. Lot of points to be decided, maybe Tanak will go flat out to damage Toyota's result, maybe Toyota will have some strategy of securing the 1-2.

i would be surprised if Ott gets any points at all
25th April 2021, 10:21
TypeR

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Originally Posted by Pršljen

Of course. And BMW wasn't speeding, that was wide multilane avenue, not some small two way road.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

On a fun note... the incident of Ogier and the policeman is a principle example of why the WRC shall not be held in USA :D

In the States - he would have been pushed off the road with shot tyres, pulled out of the car, tazed and sent to prison :D losing 25p would be the least problem :D
25th April 2021, 10:24
Mirek

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Originally Posted by rage82

And there was probably a bus lane( because there was a bus stop) and you shouldn't be driving in the bus lane.

There are no bus-lane signs on the road, moreover it was on Sunday. At least here in Prague majority of bus-lanes are free to use on Sunday.
25th April 2021, 10:26
Pršljen

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Originally Posted by rage82

And there was probably a bus lane( because there was a bus stop) and you shouldn't be driving in the bus lane.

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That's not bus lane even though the bus stop is there. BMW was driving correctly.
25th April 2021, 10:28
wwbroe

I understand that some people want to defend Ogier but the accident was clearly his mistake.
25th April 2021, 10:31
mknight

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Originally Posted by Pršljen

What are you talking about? What is wrong with the organization? Is their fault that Ogier acts like a child? And how would you control the spectators? Bear in mind that this is not some remote forest in northern Finland, it's backyard of the capital and area with more than million inhabitants.

The optics if police somehow affects the result with uncessary action (for example putting Ogier in jail just before the PS). Will in the end affect how the rally is viewed.

There have been lots of rallies run with close to no spectators visible. ERC rally Roma or Monza last year had like 1/100th the amount og people.

The countries obviously set the rules themselves. But then there is the contrast between rules and actual situation. How will crowd control work if the rally is "open" and you get 2-3 times more people than now? Maybe perfectly..maybe not.
25th April 2021, 10:34
focus206

Incredible behavior by Ogier. If this was done by random WRC3 driver, he'd probably get DQ for causing an accident & disobeying police, and then his license revoked. But it's Ogier, he might just get a slap on the back of one hand.
25th April 2021, 10:38
Pršljen

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Originally Posted by mknight

The optics if police somehow affects the result with uncessary action (for example putting Ogier in jail just before the PS). Will in the end affect how the rally is viewed.

There have been lots of rallies run with close to no spectators visible. ERC rally Roma or Monza last year had like 1/100th the amount og people.

The countries obviously set the rules themselves. But then there is the contrast between rules and actual situation. How will crowd control work if the rally is "open" and you get 2-3 times more people than now? Maybe perfectly..maybe not.

Well, we don't know why Ogier left and why police wanted him to stop. Of course it will not affect Ogier's rally but we'll see what they'll do afterwards. Laws and rules are laws and rules.

As I mentioned, COVIS restrictions in Croatia are very liberal and people are very sensitive about lockdowns and any kind of movement restrictions. I don't see way of stopping them from spectating.

If FIA finds it problematic for the rally's future than they are shooting in their own foot. WRC just grew immensely in Croatia and people enjoy it - and then you give the rally a thumbs down because they do, only because it was against the spectating rules?

Hopefully it won't happen.
25th April 2021, 10:47
Mirek

Another big moment of Gryazin from SS15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctGRtBQ9cHg
25th April 2021, 10:51
rage82

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Originally Posted by Pršljen

That's not bus lane even though the bus stop is there. BMW was driving correctly.

Ok, it was just a guess.

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25th April 2021, 10:52
mknight

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Originally Posted by Pršljen

Well, we don't know why Ogier left and why police wanted him to stop. Of course it will not affect Ogier's rally but we'll see what they'll do afterwards. Laws and rules are laws and rules.

When police stops someone a lot is left for them to decide. From nothing over writing a fine and goodbye up to arrest and drive to hospital for drug/alkohol blood test. Sure you can can complain at the court afterwards but there and then they have a lot of options which are all up to them.

Obviously here we don't know much. Except that Ogier waited for the police to arrive, that there was likely another team member that stayed and that there was video evidence.
25th April 2021, 11:00
meh

Actually it's a weird situation - like police was not sure what they are doing. If Ogier was not allowed to go, then in some other countries he could not go anywhere. And if he was not allowed to go and caused some danger to the policeman, it could be a completely different story.
25th April 2021, 11:06
Mirek

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Originally Posted by mknight

Obviously here we don't know much. Except that Ogier waited for the police to arrive, that there was likely another team member that stayed and that there was video evidence.

I think that the man looked like Jarmo Lehtinen.
25th April 2021, 11:07
Francis44

What is all the fuss about?! These incidents happen and Im sure Toyota is more than keen on paying the damages to the BMW owner. It has happened before in Portugal for example and at the time the owner was given a brand new pick up truck. Why was the police there? Were they looking for a payout?!
25th April 2021, 11:08
Rallyper

Let´s leave the Ogier issue.

Now concentrate on PS. Please.
25th April 2021, 11:10
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Francis44

What is all the fuss about?! These incidents happen and Im sure Toyota is more than keen on paying the damages to the BMW owner. It has happened before in Portugal for example and at the time the owner was given a brand new pick up truck. Why was the police there? Were they looking for a payout?!

Well...
1) Becuse it goes in viral in a matter of minutes and there is a thing called FIA action to road safety you know...
2) Because police needs respect to have any meaning of existence and incidents like this make them looking like clowns
3) Because it's normal to call police to an accident, I would certainly call a police myself too had a WRC car crashed in mine
4) Because had it happened in France Ogier would never dare to drive on the policeman like here because they are f*cking serious there.
25th April 2021, 11:14
Francis44

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Well...
1) Becuse it goes in viral in a matter of minutes and there is a thing called FIA action to road safety you know...
2) Because police needs respect to have any meaning of existence and incidents like this make them looking like clowns
3) Because it's normal to call police to an accident, I would certainly call a police myself too had a WRC car crashed in mine
4) Because had it happened in France Ogier would never dare to drive on the policeman like here because they are f*cking serious there.

Amazing because elsewhere in Europe for a minor crash in which one of the involved as clearly taken responsability I would sure be waiting 1 hour minimum for the police to show up 😅 .
25th April 2021, 11:16
Got Mail

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Originally Posted by Mirek

I think that the man looked like Jarmo Lehtinen.

It was Jarmo. 100%
25th April 2021, 11:17
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Amazing because elsewhere in Europe for a minor crash in which one of the involved as clearly taken responsability I would sure be waiting 1 hour minimum for the police to show up �� .

That's only your presumption. You don't know what was happening there and if Ogier admitted it was his fault. You simply can not know.
25th April 2021, 11:22
Francis44

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That's only your presumption. You don't know what was happening there and if Ogier admitted it was his fault. You simply can not know.

So what was he supposed to do? Wait for all to agree on what exactly happened and DNF? Stupid for Ogier to crash like that and stupid of the policeman to try and stop the car like that.
25th April 2021, 11:24
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Francis44

So what was he supposed to do? Wait for all to agree on what exactly happened and DNF? Stupid for Ogier to crash like that and stupid of the policeman to try and stop the car like that.

No idea what you are trying to prove here.
25th April 2021, 11:26
Francis44

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Originally Posted by Mirek

No idea what you are trying to prove here.

Prove? Nothing. Just stating that a minor incident, which might be 100% solved right now, is getting way too much traction from Ogier haters, as per usual.
25th April 2021, 11:28
Sulland

Ok PS time!

seemed like the drivers liked the stage when driving it for the first time today.

Lets hope all make it to the chess flag!
25th April 2021, 11:29
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Prove? Nothing. Just stating that a minor incident, which might be 100% solved right now, is getting way too much traction from Ogier haters, as per usual.

Driving on a policeman is not a minor accident.
25th April 2021, 11:31
Fast Eddie WRC

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/t...cident/6452477
25th April 2021, 11:31
Jarek Z

Ogier's accident is now all over the Polish media websites, especially the ones that never write about rallying:

https://www.sport.pl/moto/7,64997,27...l#s=BoxOpImg10

https://motoryzacja.interia.pl/rajdy...ource=worthsee
25th April 2021, 11:31
Francis44

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Driving on a policeman is not a minor accident.

I beg to differ since clearly not one of the police involved were keen to get on a car and chase the "criminal". But anyway, back to the rally.
25th April 2021, 11:32
Fast Eddie WRC

Huge crowds at the PS.
25th April 2021, 11:33
Mirek

Mikkelsen 10 seconds faster than in the first run! Wow

Great stage btw!
25th April 2021, 11:35
dimviii

Fourmaux crash
https://youtu.be/UnHk_UPn9LY
25th April 2021, 11:35
Got Mail

Andreas pushing like hell in that one.

He had a few glances at the TWATER screen after that big landing...
25th April 2021, 11:35
Sulland

Quite a lot of movement in the car Mikkelsen said just after the finish line. So probably a lot of dirt.
25th April 2021, 11:36
dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez0HBIlX...pg&name=medium
25th April 2021, 11:36
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Quite a lot of movement in the car Mikkelsen said just after the finish line. So probably a lot of dirt.

Tyres going off he said
25th April 2021, 11:40
drive

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Originally Posted by dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez0HBIlX...pg&name=medium

Loads of photo cameras 0,1sek till destruction.... :)
25th April 2021, 11:40
Mainie

Generally nice to see some fans, but what really annoys me is that zero distancing and no masks at all. Guys, Croatia is also pretty much struck by the pandemic and tolerating that behaviour is not okay in current times. We all sacrifice a lot and hope that we get back to normal, also in sports, ASAP
25th April 2021, 11:41
Fast Eddie WRC

Not bad Suninen. At least he showed the Fiesta Rally2 is competitive.
25th April 2021, 11:42
EstWRC

nice job Teemu, i feared a lot worse results before the start
25th April 2021, 11:45
meh

Mikkelsen had propoer run, 3.5sec faster then Loubet in 1st split.
25th April 2021, 11:47
Mirek

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Originally Posted by meh

Mikkelsen had propoer run, 3.5sec faster then Loubet in 1st split.

This is also a "Fabia stage" if you can call one like that.

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