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What proof do you need that is the driver? He would be in contention for title if he would be considered like Ogier in M-Sport in FIESTA! He is superior and thank god that we have another dude to spice up championship. Shame that Latvala, Meeke and Mikkelsen are not there too. Then it would be even more interesting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
Here's my video from Rally Finland, struggling with the dust again this year so just imagine how good some of these places could have been with some damp gravel. Got some impressive fast stuff though, hope you enjoy!
https://youtu.be/vP9QpcqzSns
Really great shots!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Podium ceremony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0jLIyJ2c&t=7s
What a great event! Had so much fun the last few days. Got a few pics on my website https://www.rally-photo.net/2019-rally-finland-wrc/
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Finnish humour ;)
They should have asked Tommi what he thought about Meeke crashing out the second time on a stage where he just needed to drive trough to get to the PS where he could take points off Ogier/Neuville.
Cause as he says the first crash can happen, but it's the second crash that might get Meeke kicked, just like the "second mistake" on PS in Portugal after already loosing 2nd place with the spin. Similarly what got him kicked from Citroen was crashing out when minutes behind due to punctures and not in a fight with anybody.
I am a Tänak fan and also believe the car is not driving itself. Just many people have the opinion like the car is from another planet and anyone in the Yaris could be this quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
While driving in M-sport together with Ogier, then also the cars were different. For example Ogiers car recieved new updates, while Tänak had to drive without them, because the budget didn't allow to imply them to both cars.
Sure the car is not driving itself, but first passes in Finland were Toyota 1-2-3 both Friday and Saturday.
On Saturday morning you had Toyota 1-2-3 within 1s, then Lappi 6s behind and then the rest. Tänaks teammates couldn't keep that pace without issues though.
Off course it's not only the car and Tänak would likely be able to fight for wins also in others cars, like he has done in Fiesta, but it would have been much closer.
Any more opinions on that big jump at the end of the PS ? I've read a lot of criticism on social media from serious rally people and journos. Some just because its completely artificial (and with a big 'runway'), and others think it dangerous to spectators if a jump went wrong.
Far from completely artificial. The terrain had a natural crest, all the did was modify it to resemble more the Ouninpohja yellow house crest and build a road over it. If you want something completely artificial, look at the Great Orme or Guanajuato ramp jumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
My video of this great Rally Finland 2019 :D
http://youtu.be/sAUJw8eQ1tM
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Did you notice the guy running away from the car (photographer, I think) when Ogier jumped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's sick that someone let anyone get that close to the potential trajectory in the first place. Mouton needs to go.
Also back from Rally Finland. Hard to find the words to describe how amazing this event was, it's probably the most spectacular rally I've ever seen! Seen a lot of stages, walked a lot and found amazing places to watch, for every single stage.
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More photos: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyima...79246662087197
Photos Neste-Ralli (01-04.08.2019)
Shakedown, SS2, SS6, SS9, SS14, SS16, SS18, SS21, ja SS23
https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste-Ralli+08.19/
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@Tom amazing photos mate!
another video from Neuvilles jump
https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1158028502010126336
I did thursday SD,
Friday: oittila1, ässämäki 1, moksi 2, äänekoski2
Saturday: Päijälä1, Pihlajakoski2 and Leustu2
Sunday: laukaa 1 and 2
Totally by car ~700km +200km to/from home and 22km walking and 6km bicycle.
The distance achieved by Neuville & Ogier reminded me of when ski-jumpers 'out-jump the hill'.
And the fact they went further than the distance markers shows the organisers didnt expect that and therefore hadnt fully considered what could happen.
That long flat runway allowed the cars to achieve a higher speed than they do on a normal jump within a stage.
Ogier's extreme nose-up landing isnt normally seen on WRC jumps. The aero is usually quite balaced. But at extreme speed who knew what it might cause...
As Ryan Champion said:
I suspect the aero is designed to work when the car is on the ground... rather than 2 metres in the air at 200 km/h !
like Tommeke said: "Hard to find the words to describe how amazing this event was"
same here, another awesome year at Rally Finland. Really satisfied with my homework done before the rally this year, the places on the stages were good and all the things were running smoothly. Only complain: it was so DAMN cold the last two nights. Especially Saturday night at Päijälä, i was shaking like a leaf in the tent the whole night until morning.
We started with the shakedown on Thursday, at this place https://youtu.be/ibFUATF4kb0?t=88. I have to tell the place is 100X times awesome in real life, the speed was insane. We drove it through the night before with like 50km/h but i guess these guys have something like 160km/h at there?
Suninen was most spectacular there, very sideways and throwing the most amount of rocks at us.
Friday we were on Moksi and Urria. On Moksi we were at a very fast flat-out left hander, Ogier had a veeeeery sideways moment there, my heart stopped for a second. The others came through nicely.
On Urria we were at the fast corner before the big jump, it can be seen here from last years vid https://youtu.be/vLb2zPDY0hA?t=36. But before this fast corner theres also a crest and this is where Lappi had that moment. The crest lifted the cars and they came flat out there, Lappi was soooo sideways over that crest and flew basically into the ditch with the rear, until this day i cant understand how he came away from it.
On Saturday we were at Päijälä and Pihlajakoski. On Päijälä at 5km rollercoaster road and on Pihlajakoski at very end of the stage, fast left and right.
Ogier hit a three/ditch very hard coming too fast into the left hand corner and Tänak took the right hand corner completely with different line compared to others. Lappi was very wild there and he also won that stage.
aaanddd on Sunday of course the big jump at the end of Ruuhimäki and i guess i dont have to tell you about it.
At least the stages and places we were, Tänak was by faaaaaar the most smoothest and cleanest, like just having a Sunday cruise, even on Friday on first passes. The others were correcting the car all the time, the most wild ones were Lappi and Suninen, especially Suninen on every place we were.
i dont know if i will go next year, the problem is that everything costs so much. I mean, the rally pass this year was 80 euros, 80 EUROS? And then we have to pay 15-20 euros for parking every night, and then some parkin places dont even have a toilet or thrash bags for this money.
I was at Rally Spain two years ago and there was no rally pass and parking fees. And if you put all the Rally Finland costs together, it isnt a massive difference between it and Rally Spain.
But in the end im sure ill go anyway, lol.
and you can see from this pic we were at Rally Finland, a huge jump ;)
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Ruuhimäki itself also contains fast jumps. The real Yellow house jump also has a long acceleration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Novikov in Finland 2009. Or Neuville in Päijälä. It happens.Quote:
Ogier's extreme nose-up landing isnt normally seen on WRC jumps. The aero is usually quite balaced. But at extreme speed who knew what it might cause...
Eddie, don't you think that you make often too much drama of things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Is there a video of Greensmith's crash?
The problem I have with the Ruuhimäki ending is the extremely artificial feel of the area after the jump. It just looks like a big flat empty (parking) lot.
Finland has great natural stages including the "roller coaster" on the wide road just before the last part of Ruuhimäki and then to "top it up" they go for a "cheap" flick in a seemingly empty artificial area.
At least some grass/banks/trees would help a lot on how that last sections feels, even if people know it's artificial.
https://youtu.be/mjD2XsbTlegQuote:
Originally Posted by Portimao
Οgiers jump from another angle
https://youtu.be/-xNLXkDeKp0?t=167
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That's what it is. It's one way to give more space for spectators and to accomodate the podium ceremony.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
WRCWings notes on Ruuhimäki (power stage) last jump:
Some of the cars showed an excessive nose-up behavior while landing in the last crest of the Power Stage (Ruuhimäki), with the Citroën C3 WRC of Ogier and Ingrassia reaching the top angle, and losing the rear diffuser in the second pass as a minor consequence. The reason why those cars nose-up so heavily is not only related to aerodynamics, but to the way they faced the crest.
As Mads Østberg explained to us in an interview included in our post on Aerodynamics of a WRC car jump, it is normal to brake a little bit before the crest, in order to balance the car. If the top of the crest is reached at full acceleration, the car will face it with the nose up.
The control time at the end of the Ruuhimäki stage was located on top of the crest. Many drivers were pushing down to the limit to the very end of the stage to get the best time and some points. For this reason, they probably did not brake before the crest, and their cars took off nosing up. If you add a poor aero balance (such is the case of the C3), then the landing could not be balanced, and the cars reached very unbalanced position (as it happened to Ogier or Neuville).
it cant be that crap if second year in a row its fighting for the win on the first day and in the end is second. Lappi was also second in Sweden, so the Citroen must be quite good on fast stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
what i also noticed again is that the guys who were at Rally Estonia this year, did really well also on Rally Finland, exactly like last year.
For me Breen definitely secured a contract with some team for next year, really great performance from him. Mikkelsen did also really well considering its one of his weakest rallies.
Spectators/podium don't need to be on a flat and empty area. "Natural" earth-tribunes even artificially made with grass looks 10x better than flat empty tarmac patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I am not so sure. Remember Breen has 2 podiums... from Sweden and Finland. So it's one of his 2 best rallies. He has yet to prove he can be fast and stay fast on med-slow gravel, not to mention tarmac rally without mistakes. (Btw. Østberg did basically the same in Finland last year and it's not like he has a drive now)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Anyway Breen very likely secured a drive with I20 in GB instead of Sordo.
I was at the podium place at ruuhimaki. And heared Seb chatting with Yari-mattis wife. She asked how was he and his rally and he answered that the were better times and better rallys. Added later that WW times are gone and it is what it is. He looked very upset and tired. I never saw him like that before. Like he was devastated by the fact that he can't keep up with those 3 guys upfront.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Heh i remember last year he lost peace of aero on the back of his Fiesta exactly at that last jump. But the jump and landing was more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's not just the Rally Finland finish area, it's used for other things throughout the year, you cannot spice it up with trees and grass just for the sake of this event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I found it a bit silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC