[WRC] Neste Rally Finland 26 - 29 July 2018

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29th July 2018, 10:48
Simmi

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Originally Posted by krissucool

Never had a criticial word from Eddie about Ogier in the last 2 years so no surprise here.

Ford has every right to swap positions of drivers and do whatever they want as long as it is not against rules.

I think its also fair to criticize them in these cases for non fair play. In the end it wont change anything.

The sad part about it is, just like with Ogier shenanigans in Sweden PS. Once they do it so blatantly, Hyundai and Toyoto wont have any other choice but to do the same when they are in a similar position to have an equal chance.

But hey, as long as it is in the rules. I will still continue being critical of non sportsmanship actions.

How long have you been watching rallying out of interest? I can't see anything new that M-Sport have done this weekend?
29th July 2018, 10:49
mknight

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Originally Posted by Simmi

How long have you been watching rallying out of interest? I can't see anything new that M-Sport have done this weekend?

First time I see a team having to slow down both 2nd and 3rd driver for a 5-time world champion.

I am quite sure this is first time that has ever happened.
29th July 2018, 10:52
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by mknight

You don't get it. It's not that they let him past in overall standings, every team would do that at this point.

It's the ridiculousnes of letting Evans drop for 5th instead of 6th on the road and now get Suninen penalty before PS so Ogier drives 7th instead of 8th. What's the real gain? 0.1s?

That's completely new level of "doing everything for lead driver". Certainly setting new levels of how far you could go.

It must be worth it or they wouldn't do it. Even if it just gives a psychological boost.

It's a professional sport and a team can do what it likes to maximise its results.
29th July 2018, 10:53
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by KKS

you criticize his idol

:D You know nothing about me, don't make what I'm not.
29th July 2018, 10:53
Rally Hokkaido

When did Organisers start sending leading WRC2 crew first for PS?
29th July 2018, 10:54
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

When did Organisers start sending leading WRC2 crew first for PS?

They do that on almost every rally. Sometimes even send 2 if there are not enough cars.
29th July 2018, 10:55
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by krissucool

I have respect for both, I just dont respect these actions.

Yeah? My respect goes for them not hiding behind stupid excuses masquerading the circus. How about You?
29th July 2018, 10:59
krissucool

So you agree it is a circus, but respect them for not masquerading it. Fair enough, I can get behind that.

Although I found it hilarious when they asked Ogier about the incident with Evans and he just completely avoided answering that after one stage.
29th July 2018, 11:08
Tauri_J

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Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

When did Organisers start sending leading WRC2 crew first for PS?

a very long time ago
29th July 2018, 11:09
seb_sh

Hahahahaha, it's so funny to read these comments about team orders and sportsmanship.

1. It was clear MSport was building a team to fully support Ogier this year. Tanak saw that and smartly left. It's not surprising considering Ogier is the only world champion competing full time at the moment and MSport with their limited budget are trying to maximise their chances.
2. Evans giving a position is a marginal gain but then again if you can do it and helpt just a bit you will do it. Evans hasn't shown anything special this year it's not like he was unfairly robbed of some big result while in the title fight...
3. Suninen didn't have much to fight for and is not competing full time this year, again it makes sense to give Ogier a small advantage if possible, 5th or 6th makes little difference for Suninen but a couple of points could decide a title. MSport has learnt this lesson the hard way several times.

Ogier was underperforming all weekend, part due to road position, part due to new parts on the car not working so well and most likely part due to himself. BUT Ogier still has almost double the points of Suninen and Evans combined and 3 wins this year and is the only chance for MSport to win the driver title. It's especially at this time that the team should do all it can to limit damages and help get as much as possible from a bad weekend.

At least that's what happens in the adult world, in kindergarten-WRC Ogier is a crybaby and MSport are being unsporting for making poor Evans and Suninen give up a position each.
29th July 2018, 11:16
Rally Hokkaido

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Originally Posted by mknight

They do that on almost every rally. Sometimes even send 2 if there are not enough cars.

Thanks, so Organisers' decision as to the number of WRC2 cars to send. In this case, there is no battle for the WRC2 lead, but if there was can we assume that all the battling WRC2 would be sent first? Today, there are 11 WRC cars running between the leading two WRC2 cars.
29th July 2018, 11:18
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by krissucool

So you agree it is a circus, but respect them for not masquerading it.

It is when is hidden behind some "accident". When it's fair said, is not.
29th July 2018, 11:18
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

Thanks, so Organisers' decision as to the number of WRC2 cars to send. In this case, there is no battle for the WRC2 lead, but if there was can we assume that all the battling WRC2 would be sent first? Today, there are 11 WRC cars running between the leading two WRC2 cars.

It looks like it only depends on the length of the regroup and number of cars that are running. They put in as many as needed to keep the TV-broadcast same length.
In Monte they send I think 2 cars of completely unknown drivers that were the only left in WRC2. In Mexico they also wanted to send 2.
29th July 2018, 11:19
mknight

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

It is when is hidden behind some "accident". When it's fair said, is not.

You mean like turning off GPS and going to hide on a small sideroad like in Sweden ? :D
29th July 2018, 11:26
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

You mean like turning off GPS and going to hide on a small sideroad like in Sweden ? :D

In which respect? Circus or not?
29th July 2018, 11:26
Simmi

Commentators didn't realise the situation for Teemu in there.
29th July 2018, 11:26
dimviii

SUN 13:37 - SS23: NEUVILLE
Thierry's green through the splits - if not also feeling a bit green over the jumps as he launches to 55m on the last one - and he lowers the fastest time by 6.2sec. "We tried, a difficult weekend for us but we knew that coming here. We were nearly first on the road all weekend. Ogier was in a better position because he had team-mates who could help him move up a position."
29th July 2018, 11:42
KKS

MAds -0.4 ))) 1st split
29th July 2018, 11:45
Ha3aP

and -0.2 in 2st split )
29th July 2018, 11:47
Simmi

Chuffed for Mads. Great to see him get his mojo back in a big way. Solberg would have been on the roof if he'd done that - so fair play to Mads that he didn't haha.
29th July 2018, 11:47
René

Welldone Mads !
29th July 2018, 11:47
Rally Hokkaido

Nice drive under pressure, Mads! Congratulations!
29th July 2018, 11:50
BleAivano

Oops, Tänak almost lost it there but fantastic time by Tänak.
29th July 2018, 11:54
dimviii

congrats to Tanak !! he was the daddy at this weekend.

Neuville 153
Ogier 133
Tänak 107
29th July 2018, 11:56
KKS

YEAH OTT!!!! YOU DONE IT!!!!!!!

As Markko 15 yrs ago!!!!!!
29th July 2018, 11:59
krissucool

Perfect weekend, absolutely perfect! Fantastic Ott!

Btw, anyone has any updated table about stage win nr this season?
29th July 2018, 12:03
NoFear85

Great time by Rovanpera today
29th July 2018, 12:04
dimviii

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Originally Posted by krissucool

Perfect weekend, absolutely perfect! Fantastic Ott!

Btw, anyone has any updated table about stage win nr this season?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjROjUJXgAADVLd.jpg
29th July 2018, 12:08
Mirek

Wrong sum for Ostberg.
29th July 2018, 12:09
dimviii

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/s...30565302145027
29th July 2018, 12:10
Thousandlakes

Good rally. Nice battle until the end. Really enjoy to watch even at home. Tänak, Östberg and Rovanperä superb job.
29th July 2018, 12:11
dimviii

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Neuville 153
Ogier 133
Tänak 107

Ogier 132 points, same time with Breen at power stage,but Breen when measured at 100ths was faster.
So no power stage points for Ogier
29th July 2018, 12:12
KKS

Another win for Estonia here. Torn win JWRC
29th July 2018, 12:13
itix

What a blast of a rally. I was almost falling off the chair!
29th July 2018, 12:13
GravelBen

How long has it been since we saw Mads drive like he has this weekend? Great to see him in such good form (with the jokes as well as the driving). Nice to see Latvala with some mojo back too and no mechanical bad luck for a change.

Best drive of his career so far for Ott? He just keeps getting better.

Solid performance from Paddon too in a car that has never done very well in Finland, not quite the podium he wanted but he was the best Hyundai driver all weekend.

Good to have an exciting powerstage as well, really enjoyed watching that.
29th July 2018, 12:14
mknight

Manu battle also gets interesting with Toyota same as Msport.

I rate Toyota higher for rest of season due to 3 good drivers and Msport chasing drivers title.

Both Hyundai and Toyota have rallies where they did bad last year (Catalunya for Hyundai and GB for Toyota) and then there is the uknown of Turkey. Will be interesting.
29th July 2018, 12:18
dimviii

Ogier jumping
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/2...-finland-2018/
29th July 2018, 12:22
Sulland

Was out painting the house, and missed out on Mads' powerstage by a few minutes, but saw the last part of Tanak. He managed to snap the PS by 0,5 sec, to end a perfect weekend.

But man of the rally is for me Mads and Torstein!
What a comeback from Mads. He has not been on the podium since Mexico in March 2016.

Also congrats to Citroen Sport, that showed that they are back as a potential winner, at least on gravel. The new front suspension did the trick!

Have a nice celebration!
29th July 2018, 12:28
skarderud

Fantastic job by both Tänak, but also by Mads & Torstein and citröen!

It's easy to see that all the drivers in the WRC is good drivers, and all of them need to have a car that work for them to deliver good results!

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29th July 2018, 13:30
Rallyper

Very good outcome of this rally. Big congrats to all podium drivers. The revival of Ruuhimäki PS and revised ending really paid off for organizer. Best PS so far this year according to swedish reporters Jonas Kruse and Stefan Klemetz

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