[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

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3rd August 2013, 08:03
stefanvv

What?
3rd August 2013, 08:04
Mintexmemory

Done, we don't want this to turn into the. F1 forum! Don't like censorship but the exchanges were becoming pointless and not to the usual standard of politeness. (Which makes me sound like the boring old. Fart that I am!)
3rd August 2013, 08:07
T.Maanteiden kuningas

This is rally!

Sometimes there is raining, sometimes there is slow car in front of you, sometimes there is rock, spectator, cow, alien or other object to destroying car. So what?! Keep going....
3rd August 2013, 08:09
satukata

Biggest surprise for me in Rally Finland

No 1. Kris Meeke. First rally for long time and speed even near Mikkos speed
No 2. Jarkko Nikara Faster than sordo and novikov with Mini. great talent
No 3. A Lukyanyk after 2 days 12st with grN!!! Mitsubishi evoX
3rd August 2013, 08:10
Carlo

If I had the opportunity to talk with Hayden tonight my comments would be to respect Robert but now is the time to give him a taste of Kiwi.
3rd August 2013, 08:10
BDA Cosworth

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera

In WRC2 I am also very impressed to see Paddon beating Lappi on his home turf. Is it the car? I don't know. I think Even and BRR would probably have very similar cars... both are quite prominent teams, aren't they? Paddon did "beat" him in NZ but the conditions were not at all comparable - home advantage, home-made ridiculously fast car, etc. I have high hopes for both of them, but I must say after what, 9 months away from S2000, Paddon is really, really good. That kind of lack of practice is very hard to overcome. Hyundai should be looking at this guy if they want to look ahead for future winners rather than using guys who've had years experience but not much potential for improvement. Like, Hanninen is fast and in a good, manufacturer car he will put in good performances, but I don't think we'd expect him to dominate Ogier or something, or get way way better than he is already. He is a known quantity.

Lastly Ketomaa had never been on my radar much but he's been so quick here. Does he just not do as well when outside Finland?

I remember Thierry Neuville commenting that the Feista R5 was faster then the current S2000 cars at Ypres.

I drive a 2.4L Lancer Wagon that has 165hp and 220nm of torque. If I was to slot in a Feistas 1.6L Turbo into the same body I'd have a lighter motor and produce more torque with more power. Wouldn't it only be logical that a R5 car should in theory be easily quicker then a NA? Just curious on peoples opinion.

In regards to Paddon, I'm a big fan of his, but I think in this rally and with this new formula it's harder then ever to diagnose who is actually the quickest! Ketomaa is consistently 0.8ish secs a k faster then Paddon. But in completely different cars. Would Paddon be equal for speed if he were in the same car? I think he would. And once you take into account that Ketomaa is on home soil, it really does goes to show how fast Hayden is.
3rd August 2013, 08:10
ThomasS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Done, we don't want this to turn into the. F1 forum! Don't like censorship but the exchanges were becoming pointless and not to the usual standard of politeness. (Which makes me sound like the boring old. Fart that I am!)

Tell that to Jackie Stewart ! Let sleeping dogs lie eh ;)
3rd August 2013, 08:10
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Can You elaborate? Since 2009 onwards we had 2 manufacturers. In 2011 we had 3. In 2012 again only 2. Now we have 3, since 2014 we will have 4 and in 2015 maybe 5.

I think that with Citroen's current level of performance and company's financial difficulties their continued involvement with WRC is under constant threat. Hyundai will enter but if they won't perform, will they stay? Ford is here for the time being and perform as long as their current homologation lasts, which won't be long.

Having said that, WRC survived previous low-point in 1995-1996 with just Mitsu, Subaru and Ford.
3rd August 2013, 08:10
Mintexmemory

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.Maanteiden kuningas

This is rally!

Sometimes there is raining, sometimes there is slow car in front of you, sometimes there is rock, spectator, cow, alien or other object to destroying car. So what?! Keep going....

Oi! Someone always wants the last word don't make me go into Strict Dad mode!
3rd August 2013, 08:20
T.Maanteiden kuningas

Roger.
3rd August 2013, 08:27
tfp

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

What you think about Nikaras speed? :)

Very impressive! But will it translate to other rally's? This is his home event after all.

personally, I'd say give him the chance.
3rd August 2013, 08:28
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

I think that with Citroen's current level of performance and company's financial difficulties their continued involvement with WRC is under constant threat. Hyundai will enter but if they won't perform, will they stay? Ford is here for the time being and perform as long as their current homologation lasts, which won't be long.

Having said that, WRC survived previous low-point in 1995-1996 with just Mitsu, Subaru and Ford.

That's not the point. There are always better and worse competitors but that doesn't change their number. If somebody says that manufacturers are leaving while their number is actually growing than he is simply wrong by any means of logic. I don't try to say that WRC situation is somehow great but we shall be fair.
3rd August 2013, 08:39
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

There are always better and worse competitors but that doesn't change their number.

That is correct, but those not performing well are more likely to leave. And moreover, one dominant make diminishes interest across the board.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

If somebody says that manufacturers are leaving while their number is actually growing than he is simply wrong by any means of logic.

Number of manufacturers growing isn't a fact until next year's Monte Carlo. No manufacturer has yet paid 2014 participation fees and are free to leave at moment's notice (or cancelling/postponing their entry). Call me pessimist, but I believe things only when I see them happening. Corporate press releases of future commitments have no value whatsoever.
3rd August 2013, 08:39
jonkka

And sorry for off-topic comment but since this thread isn't too lively I think it's somewhat ok.
3rd August 2013, 08:44
stefanvv

Will the record be broken this year?
3rd August 2013, 08:48
Mintexmemory

Nah!
3rd August 2013, 08:58
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Will the record be broken this year?

Petter has the record really not Mikko since the stage was 250m shorter when Mikko got that time of 15:17.3 Petter had 15:18.5
3rd August 2013, 08:59
tommeke_B

Thierry already 4s faster than Mads, only at 1/3 of the stage.
3rd August 2013, 09:01
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Petter has the record really not Mikko since the stage was 250m shorter when Mikko got that time of 15:17.3 Petter had 15:18.5

His record will stay in history forever ;) . But Hirvonen's still might be beaten
3rd August 2013, 09:07
spiderem

neuville faster than mikko on Ouninpohja, it looks like we are assisting in a transition between the old and new generation of driver...
3rd August 2013, 09:07
A.F.F.

I had a nap. Was I cencored? :)
3rd August 2013, 09:16
Mintexmemory

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

I had a nap. Was I cencored? :)

Hopefully you didn't feel a thing despite the fact that I didn't use anaesthetic!
3rd August 2013, 09:21
dupanton

Only one comment on this rally: Go Go Go Thierry :p
3rd August 2013, 09:24
Mintexmemory

Meanwhile I believe (short of a disruptive injury) that the latest stage win has WDC written all over it. Looks like my hope that the championship is decided before France is going to be realised. Seb v Seb no holds barred, can't wait :)
3rd August 2013, 09:25
A.F.F.

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D
3rd August 2013, 09:26
wwbroe

So, Thierry back up to second place, great pace again on legendary stage.
3rd August 2013, 09:27
wwbroe

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D

Pitty NOT is no longer around, i kind of miss his great comments :D
3rd August 2013, 09:31
Mintexmemory

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D

No actually I'd have been piling in (I did!!) Everyone knew the ground rules for arguments with NOT - he got his ban for going from. Zero to Excessive in 2.7 seconds from a standing start ;)
3rd August 2013, 09:33
RallyNZ

Not this time round.....but wait,there's more...
3rd August 2013, 09:36
skarderud

Quote:

Originally Posted by dupanton

Only one comment on this rally: Go Go Go Thierry :p

no, the only comment is: GO, GO, GO MADS!!!! :)
3rd August 2013, 09:36
RallyNZ

Lappi trying a bit too hard to prove he can beat Paddon!
3rd August 2013, 09:46
tommeke_B

Quote:

Originally Posted by skarderud

no, the only comment is: GO, GO, GO MADS!!!! :)

In Sweden (actually a stage in Norway) I heard one comment that may well fit for both in a few stages. :)

"Krasje"

In Dutch it means "a little scratch". What does it mean in Norwegian? :D
3rd August 2013, 09:46
A.F.F.

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)
3rd August 2013, 09:46
Mintexmemory

Hyundai should sell tickets to the shoot-out. Remember how quick Paddon was in the Pirelli Evo in Finland. Kris will already have next year's contract after today ;)
3rd August 2013, 09:49
Mirek

Jaro Kinnunen set fastest 2WD time on Ouninpohja in his 208 R2 against all R3 cars. Respect!
3rd August 2013, 09:49
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Hyundai should sell tickets to the shoot-out. Remember how quick Paddon was in the Pirelli Evo in Finland. Kris will already have next year's contract after today ;)

I was once in Austria spectating Pirelli Star Driver Shootout and it was extremely spectacular event where everybody was driving like mad!
3rd August 2013, 09:54
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)

On MAX?

PS: N.O.T got banned? A lot has happened in my absence... :eek:
3rd August 2013, 09:54
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)

Any live feed for us? :) Found this when looking for Mikko's inboard of Ouninpohja last year.

"Although my friend Mikko Hirvonen had a very impressive run through the stage at 15min17.3seconds in August, the stage was 230 meters shorter upon it's complete return for 2012 as opposed to when I set my record of 15min18.5seconds in 2004. Since the times are then not comparable, the record holder is determined by average speed. Mikkos average: 129.52kph (80.47mph). My average: 130.28kph (80.95mph)!"
Mikko Hirvonen Onboard Ouninpohja Stage in the Citroen DS3 WRC - WRC Rally Finland 2012 - YouTube
3rd August 2013, 09:58
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

PS: N.O.T got banned? A lot has happened in my absence... :eek:

A long time a go he was... He is still here though but he's not posting anymore, only reading.
3rd August 2013, 10:01
skarderud

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

In Sweden (actually a stage in Norway) I heard one comment that may well fit for both in a few stages. :)

"Krasje"

In Dutch it means "a little scratch". What does it mean in Norwegian? :D

hope we avoid "krasje" today, then one of them is missing from the ceremony tonight :)
crash is the english word!

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