RB livery only on Ogier's car so they are following him, they're not a full M-Sport sponsor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
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RB livery only on Ogier's car so they are following him, they're not a full M-Sport sponsor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
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http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-new...ery-evolutions
Baumschlager drove Escort gp.A with Red Bull on the car back in 1993 but probably not M-Sport car (back then there were much more rally car workshops)...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
'The invaluable support that M-Sport continue to receive from Ford is well represented – the ‘Powered by Ecoboost’ trademark proudly displayed.. '
Really ? One logo on the rear.
Vatanen had an SMS Escort with Red Bull logos for 1994.
Missed the top of the front windscreen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Raimund Baumschlager Ford Focus 2001 (rally Germany)
Stunning!
Car is better than I've ever imagined! Now bring the time machine cause I can't imagine waiting almost a month to Monte start!
The more I think about it, if Ford aren't throwing in any significant support why should M-Sport emblazon their logos everywhere? Especially now they finally have a bit of leverage with the best driver in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The cars look awesome. Cool idea to release them on Christmas day - piggybacking on the season of goodwill.
From what I can tell MS-RT is M-Sport's road car performance tuning brand. So they are still self-sponsoring Tanak's car. Can't wait to see this Fiesta in Dmack livery too. I think that will be the best of the lot!
Tänak's one looking nice but i dont like Ogier one because i have never been Red Bull livery fan and it ruins it for me and it looks like a mess too.
But both arent final designs so we will see but i doubt there will be big changes. i definitely hope that they something with the white part in the front.
both close up https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/statu...74279390326784
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/statu...74247907885057
For me Tanak's is the best livery.
Red Bull-dominated livery is the price MSport had to pay to have Ogier it seems... :(
what?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
For those that dont like that drinks company and/or that livery.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Any company that pumps hundreds of millions of £$€ into the sport I love is alright by me... Not that I've ever drank the drink! Motorsport would be much poorer (in many senses) for them not being involved...
I think the livery is good anyway. Hopefully Tanak's car ends up having a good, prominent sponsor too. Probably won't though.
meh I don't like it much, especially the front, those 2 shades of blue don't go really well with each other... maybe Tanak's livery will be better once it's final
Ok so its great news for M-Sport to have Ogier, but what a shame Ford didnt take this brilliant opportunity to come back as a manufacturer.
Imagine if they win rallies and/or the championship and Red Bull get all the publicity benefit.
Imagine M-Sport world champions, and in 2018 Ford back with money to stay with Ogier ;)
Ford back in 2018 was the first rumours. That things need time.
Did you not like it when cigarette companies sponsored? Gambling companies? Nature destroying oil companies?
I thought Michelin would of been more involved on the livery since Ogier is French and they could not have a French world champion sponsored by Dmack. Originally, before VW quit, I thought Dmack was going to push to get the whole M-Sport team sponsored and switched to Dmack tires.
Michelin is supposed to treat all teams equally.
Can they not sponsor a team like Dmack? I remember seeing a Ford Escort to the colors of Michelin in the 1990s.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
That was Wilson's own Escort and he was contesting the BRC with it and only RAC and little else from the WRC schedule.
Red Bull can sponsor drivers, when promotor is Red Bull Media House and Michelin no? ;)
I believe Michelin also can but they don´t have to, every top driver uses them already...
Exactly, DMACK must prove their product, Michelin is the top product and is selling well to customers, no need for extra sponsorship.
I can not physically roll my eyes further back into my head even if I tried...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
1994 Malcolm Wilson and 2014 Matthew Wilson are sponsored by MichelinQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
https://www.autocult.fr/2014/ford-mi...ans-plus-tard/
I'm being more pro-Ford (with their rally history). Plus it would be good to see another full manufacturer team.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
And it has to be said that Red Bull are just in it for what they get out of it. They have no real love of rallying. If they did they would sponsor MSport, not just the world champion.
Welcome to the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But Ford carried on supporting for years with no success. RB just are just in rally while they have Ogier wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Actually they started with Loeb and they are also sponsoring a bunch of other drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Any sponsor is in it for some kind of publicity or image, sponsoring a national driver or a winner or a particularly popular driver, no one just throws money away "for the love of the sport".
Garbage. You have a clearly very short memory of WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Red Bull have been involved in WRC since they started as a company.
Carlos Sainz was one of their first ever athletes across all sports. Probably even before they were involved in F1 or any other motorsport. They have been constantly involved since.
http://www.locosdelmotor.com/en/2015...moya-en-el-98/
As for Ford, why would they get back involved as a 'full manufacturer' again, when M-Sport are doing it for them for peanuts?
I would say that Ford are getting away with what is probably the cheapest World Championship-level motorsport programme in the entire world.
One of the biggest/only non-manufacturer sponsors in the sport, yet they're "just in it for what they get out of it" (is sports sponsorship normally a charitable concern?) and "have no real love of rallying"... I wish most large corporations committed the same level/lack of interest to rallying as Red Bull have!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If the 2017 VW turns up in Red Bull and Qatar colours in Sweden, will Red Bull still be the bad guy...?
I don't actually mind it to be honest, if only because of the commitment Ford showed to the WRC from 2006 to 2012 when the WRC/sport badly needed their support. If they get a cheap Championship now on the back of the investment they made back then, good for them. At the end of the day, their exit was honourable and they never actually fully left, they're still supporting M-Sport to a lesser extent when they don't really need to at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Red Bull is probably just in to pay Ogier.
Red Bull have sponsored for a long time but always the top drivers who are dominant and who's success is virtually guaranteed.
They arent there for the poorer drivers/teams and do they do anything for grass-roots rallying ?
They are like a flat-track bully.
Plus I hear that their football teams are despised in all the leagues they are playing in.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...erman-football
Red Bull is not a sponsor like the others. I agree with Fast Eddie.
Involvement of Ford would be healthier for the sport.
Redbull tends to cancel any aspect of what is not good for his brand. It's a very aggressive promotion.
Just look at what they have done in football. They USED the team of strasbourg, its history and, without caring of the people and the citizens of the team, they empowered Lipsia destroying strasbourg team.
Rally is marketing tool but is also full of heritage, it's kind of noble sport. Don't expect Redbull to preserve it.
i don't understand why wilson hasn't approached other manufacturers. most components of the car remain the same, no matter what car brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
M-sport could have build the toyota wrc car.
Instead of bashing RedBull and how they spend their money maybe we should be asking why others don't participate. In the end it comes down to how popular (or not) WRC is and how well it is sold. Usually promoters try to dumb it down instead of showing the core of what makes it cool.
As for RedBull I don't necessarily agree or like the way they approach things but it's their money and their strategy. The want to be the winners and are ruthless in pursuing that. Why doesn't another company come in and sponsor a private Ford team with some spectacular and charismatic drivers? That's another way you can have great marketing impact even if you don't have the champion team.
It's kind of similar to bashing Ogier for winning everything and making the last few years boring. It's not his fault the others were weak in comparison. It's also not RedBulls fault no one else is willing to fork up some cash.
SordoQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Evans
Lefebvre
Molinaro
Cetinkaya
Aigner
Sandell
Hanninen
To name just a few. These are'dominant' drivers for whom success is 'guaranteed'?
I don't think those words mean what you think they do....