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Just the fact that Märtin said it out loud gives hint that something probably went really wrong there. Sad news for a lot of Estonian rally-fans when 2 their heros are spliting up their common goals and coworking. I would like to hear in the future that I interpreted it wrong way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Markko is a person who chooses his words very carefully.
Don`t think we will hear about it, as we haven`t heard yet the real reasons OT leaving Toyota, Hyundai etc.
Well.. didn't Markko Martin say in some big interview about Tanak to Hyundai, that R5 program was just someone's made up story and wasn't the reason to sign Hyundai..?
Actually came out that R5 deal was true.
Not to begin same topic 100th time again, but leaving Toyota and Hyundai should be pretty clear by today. Ofc we won't know the 100% story, but still things sound logical.
Another small piece from DirtFish/Evans on the topic: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...markko-martin/
A bit offtopic ("Ott Tänak") here, but on the larger topic "why rally is so popular in Estonia".
Got free time yesterday and visited cinema - "Legends of the winding road" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK-U18XmkWM).
Rally was first boomed behing iron curtains during soviet time 80+, how many good drivers there were and how they handle or the USSR things.
How they built rally machines. In soviet russia, it was not possible to just buy a car - you needed to have permission from "high level" etc. And how they tuned rally cars with titanium parts or plane parts. Huge part of getting required materials and parts were "you need to know correct persons" and based on corruption. You may have a lot of "wtf" moments when you don't know the soviet system or background.
It's worth watching for 2 reasons:
* to understand the polical idiotism during that time - especially useful when you don't know how "the russian world" works
* to understand why rally got so popular in Estonia (actually I was wondering it myself) - there were a lot of rallystars 1980-1990, and it got popular on that time. It grew entire generation of enthusiasts and those generated new starts like Märtin and Tänak. This is huge momentum for small country like Estonia.
And to be on the topic here - Tänak was also present in the movie (at the very end) to basically conclude what I just wrote here.
Hats off for the movie team to store the memory of that era.
I'd like to watch this as I have wondered about eastern block rallying and the formula easter stuff, but where can one watch it?Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
I think at the moment it's possible to watch it only in cinemas. All other movies by the producer are available for watching (payable) on their homepage (https://sterotek.ee/en/movies/). I expect this to happen with the "Legends of the winding road" as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Yeah it will come later to their site too
I haven’t managed to watch it myself. We are planning to go with friends in a week or two
Ok thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Is this movie shown in cinemas, together with all the movies from Holywood, etc.?
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Great to hear that! I hope many people go to see it.
Today, in Estonian media there are stories, were Ott's wife Janika publishes her fight with breast-cancer. She told that she is ready to share the story.
Even it was kind of known, still this info may put a lot of things to different spotlight.
For example - a lot of people, including me, say that one of the bast drives by Ott was Rally Findland win last year. It makes it out-of-the-world more valuable that he was already in Finland when he got the news that wife is in hospital and was ready to go back to Estonia. But he stayed there. Such performance under such pressure.
Cancer is sneaky and dangerous thing, I wish her successful fight with that.
Source (behind paywall):
* https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/1...ku-tuleb-hoida
She will be also tomorrow on Estonias biggest morning show "Hommik Anuga" to share her story
wish her all the best, it's a nasty disease hopefully she can win the fight
All the best to Tänäk family. Hopefully they can win the battle!
so about this. She discovered it at the beginning of last year, the hardest part was to explain it to the kids, friends and relatives and also loosing all of the hair, and of course the health wasnt good.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
At the moment everything is good but she said "cancer patient" isnt confirmed healthy/recovered until 5 years have passed and she is having regular checks. So fingers crossed it doesnt come back
The blue dream that Ott, Millener and Wilson talked to become champion in a blue ford this year is unfortunately just a dream.
Everything still looked good after Croatia but the last two rallies have been disastrous and I expect Kenya to be even worse
I hope he wins Estonia and Finland, then I would be satisfied with this season
Yes, I think this is realistic approach. Just looking at how strong TGR's whole package is I didn't believe this title talk at a least bit. Maybe next year there's a realistic chance when they have seriously worked on the glitches and the setup, this season was always going to be a preparation for 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I can't believe how weak the car is imho but looking back at the 2022 it's no surprise either. It is how it is and corresponds well with previous years.
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I’m not really sure we will see him in 2024
I like always even believed for the title this year and after Sweden and Croatia it looked that it maybe even possible.
But yeah like I said also in Sardegna thread, the development also seems to be more backwards atm
Personally, I’m pretty sure we won’t see him again in 2024 and I’m not even 100% sure he’ll finish the season (I think he’ll but not 100% sure).
Don’t see how they can continue next year like this with M-Sport, all the more we know MSport can only be in the game financially during the first two years of a regulation.
In addition to that, I don’t see why Toyota would take him in their situation. Rovanpera is the next big thing for the moment even if less impressive this year (take a look to the drivers with Rally1 experience and less than 32yo and you’ll understand the gap with his rest of his generation and even the former one); last team that tries the old fella and the young gun, it ends quite bad for their future (Citroen with Loeb/Ogier). All the more that he is whining all the time (with good reason or not). If they have not taken him in 2023, I don’t see any reason to take him in 2024; Rovanpera is great, Evans is a decent 2nd driver and you can have plenty of options in 3rd shared-car, especially when you’ve Ogier in the rotation if he decides to stay in this role.
Only possibility would be that they reunite forces with Hyundai because it was a mistake for him to leave Hyundai (the car was close to Toyota’s by the end of 2022 season and they have more means than Hyundai). Well, management has changed with Abiteboul and Demaison coming in but can they reunite really after what happened last year? And will Hyundai really want to take back Tanak with his external communication style? Well, not sure at all even if Neuville’s status could be questioned with his average results so far this season.
I can't see Tänak returning to Hyundai. Maybe to Toyota, but likely it's another M-Sport year at most and that's it.
Its amazing how tanak has made increasingly bad choices when it comes to teams. He had the toyota, if he stayed he could have been multiple champion by now.
help me remember, was the switch to Hyundai due to big projects (wrc and rally2)/ money?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Exactly! Who are his advisers? He was winning both with TRG and H and left when cars were on up-wards trend. Not a single Rally with M-Sport without issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
This thread is like retro disco - all the old favorite songs are played again :D
It wont be last time sadly
i still can see him going to Toyota, Evans is underperforming second year in a row and his contract is ending with this year.
Its a BIG if but i wouldnt rule it out.
In this sport we all know never say never for anything is always possible, we've all been here long enough to never be surprised when somebody does something that we didn't think would happen.
The guy is second in the standings and has the same amount of podiums and wins as Kalle. Obviously it's still gonna be a long stretch to win the title but what's all the doom and gloom about? Other teams/drivers aren't setting the world on fire this year either, maybe apart from Ogier.
was second*Quote:
Originally Posted by Berke
after tomorrow will be 4th presumably and 30 points down from Kalle if things stand
its gloom and doom cause the car isnt neither reliable and not fast and he wont be able to fight for the title with it. He said this also himself couple of rallies ago
Goodwood Festival of Speed 13.07-16.07.2023
In recent interview Ott Tänak told he is going to this event.
Most likely its with M-Sport so they are running WRC rally1 car up the hill on time attack or on rally stage.
The event showcases vehicles from 1902 to 2023 and celebrating motorsport and bike/car culture!
Hillclimb-Length (1.86 km/1.16 miles)
Forest Rally Stage-Length (2.5 km/1.5 miles)
F1 legends, Porsche's 75th anniversary, supercar debuts, 60 years of McLaren, 75 years of Lotus, 30 years of the Festival of Speed, Sebastian Vettel, Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri, MotoGP including Francesco Bagnaia and the legendary Goodwood Timed Shootout. Just some of the things that you can see this weekend at #FOS
It will be live streamed on youtube all days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1x2sVTm3EI
More info: https://www.goodwood.com/motorsport/festival-of-speed/
Confirmation
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...ival-of-speed/
https://i.imgur.com/vXsxDfQ.png
Seems to be available now: https://dirtfish.com/archive/rallyin...ld-war-heroes/Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Movie itself: https://ladamovie.com/
I have a feeling we will hear about the retirement decision in coming weeks or a month
Can’t see him at all staying at Msport, definitely won’t go back to Hyundai as his and others drivers driving style is so different and Toyota doesn’t want him
So that leaves nothing on the table
Sadly he's got nobody but himself to blame, one bad career decision after the other ever since his championship.
Totally agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
The decision to leave Toyota is one of the worst ones in Motorsport history. Then to prolong the Hyundai contract two years ago and then to quit it
Weird decisions
To be fair going to MSport looked like a good decision when he did it. But sure leaving Toyota was bad idea.
Yes but, seemed everyone on here wanted him to go to m-sport this season so we had top driver in each car.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Seems to be a case of be careful what you wish for.
I wish he wouldn’t have left Toyota to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Tanak has indeed made very strange choices that have all but ruined his career.
It just makes no sense, he was the champion in the best team but he decides to leave. That makes no sense from a sporting view, so i assumed hyundai was willing to pay him a lot more. But then he went to msport, which makes no sence form a financial view. I can't imagine wilson will be paying him more than hyundai.
So if it's not the best car nor the best paycheck he is after, then wat is it?