Thank you for the translation and indeed pro editing...i thought it was a feature from TV...very good job.
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Thank you for the translation and indeed pro editing...i thought it was a feature from TV...very good job.
Not one driver in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Is taken of You Tube ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
NORF pics from me HERE.
I´ll re-upload the video later today cause in the first try the video stayed in low-quality pixel mess mode even after it was processed, and I want it to be the best possible quality. Juha of all deserves the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProRally
Same here, he was the "cherry on the cake" as we say in Italy, because once again I've enjoyed every single minute of this event, starting from the great company, nice weather, the excitment of watching the wrc cars for the last time in Finland, Latvala's great win, Petter's and Ogier's amazing performances :up: and the great day spent in Helsinki with cool friends...before going home. Thanks thanks thanks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Thanks - looks a real shame he couldn't get back on the road - doesn't look like any major damage - why didn't he super-rally?Quote:
Originally Posted by PMM
WT
I was there and saw he broke right front wheel. Car not driveable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasted Talent
My images from Rally Finland ;)
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...graf=135&all=1
lot more... Take a good position, a coffee and sandwich and click slideshow on... Enjoy :D
http://www.petriskog.com/Motorsport/Rally under Rally Finland gallery..
Ah, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
WT
Hartusvuori's JML-flag spotted in many pictures and in television, smart move to put it next to that commercial banner... ;)
OK a new link for the KKK summary, and also I added 5 more minutes of new stuff to the video thanks to the new 15min time limit by youtube. Still something weird about the source video but hopefully the quality is somewhat bearable:Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nc5LdczTY8
could we please have the video in downloable format with high quality...i would appreciate it very much since Juha is my all time favourite and i would like to have his last WRC outing in my HD.
A .wmw is all I´ve got of this video, no DVD-quality or such available since the original source material was mainly from a web stream, not from telly. So check if this works:
http://rapidshare.com/files/41061576...nland_2010.wmv
Here are some photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland 2010. We hope you like them. Soon there will be photos from IRC Rali Vinho Madeira and WRC ADAC Rally Germany too.
this will do..thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
Very nice photos...thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petris
^ Agreed top work :D
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=50690
My pictures http://www.rallyfoto.se
Just a great rally as usually, we will definitely be back next year!
well it's just that I read Blockie-boys "press release for Immediate release" that said his signing up for Ford was "one of the biggest events--or deals--in WRC History" and all his fans call him a "rally god" and a "Rally superstar" and since we all know that Thousand Lakes, sometimes known as Rally Finland is the greatest event in the known Galaxy, it seems to make some kind of sense that a "Factory" rally God would be in ralli paradis that is WRC Finland, and naturally fighting for the win...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinto
the big question is why wasn't he there, it is the hardest event and he told me personally ''I'm a very competitive type of guy'' which means to me you seek out the hardest competition you can find, stand toe-to-toe with the baddest guys...
here was the baddest guys and the best event in the whole world...and where was our favorite ''Rally God''?
Latvalpa, he's a good boy, and he drove well-- what can one say here that means anything compared to good driving he---and a few others including 51 year old, god knows how long since he drove real stages Juha K. ---did
I think he was there to have fun and not hurt the boys who were doing more than one guest star appearance, in other words it looked like he didn't intend to embarrass the wilson child or the progress of Norrmannen Östberg, but I have a gut feeling that he could have given them 'däng' if he wanted--he hasn't forgotten. Heja Juha!
Because it clashed with the X-Games, an event that gets more air time and publicity for his sponsors than any rally will ever do.
Some crashes and close calls. KKSF video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTTpL404s3g
I think you can say it was a "frustrating" rally for us.
First of all, the heat on Thursday was really unbearable, you kind of expect it if you go to Greece or Jordan but not Finland. It was really uncomfortable and not pleasant at all. We were very glad it got cooler over the next few days, not least because our hire car would not go up hills with the AC on (but at least it had it) Secondly, though before I thought the schedule was ok giving the chance to see quite a few stages, in reality it was nearly impossible with the traffic and having to see only the top cars before moving to another stage. I think it's much better to just sit at two stages repeated and watch all of the cars and be far more relaxed. And although there were plenty of friendly people around, there was far more unfriendly people than I remember, and marshals that even in my opinion were worse than ever. I mean, surely if a place in front of the tape is dangerous for spectators, then no marshal should be there either - seemed like they just didn't want to pay to get in to watch and wanted a better view.
Shakedown started quite well, were at a jump near the start, though I did stand on the outside for a few cars and moved myself as I thought it was a stupid place to be - but it was the only place I can remember with no marshals!! Then went to HQ and spent most of the afternoon there, before heading to Laajavuori to meet AFF and Pino, though due to the traffic we got there pretty late.
Started off in Urria jump on Friday, then decided to move back towards the car to allow us to get away a bit faster, was at a nice flat right where most were quite sideways to flick it into the following left hander.
We then went onto Myhinpaa but even though we took the "scenic route" and avoided most of the main road to Jyvaskyla, when we arrived the stupid bus system meant that we had no chance of making the stage, so went and had a nice meal and then back to Laajavuori, luckily it was a nice corner and everyone was very fast through there.
Then we headed to the car park of SS12 and parked the car and put our tent up and had something to eat, before really spoiling everythiing by saying "isn't this just brilliant" :down: Big mistake. A few minutes later a guy turned up in his van wanting to turn around and he obviously thought we had comitted a terrible crime by parking at the back of a turning area, and he was mad, very agressive and expecting us to understand the sign which he said we should be 10m further back. My Finnish vocabulary isn't that good to be honest but I had no chance of reading that sign, and he obviously expected us to understand it and didnt have any excuse for parking there, even the guys next to where we had poarked suddenly joined in with him which I was annoyed at as they had helped us park there in the first place. So, rather than stay and put up with all this nonsense we decided to leave and put the tent up in a car park off the main road.
The overnight rain meant it took us longer to pack the tent up the next morning so we were late for the stage and decided against going in. We then followed AFF and Pino to the next stage which was fantastic, everyone including the marshals were relaxed, plenty space to watch and a decent corner :up: We then went to Surkee where they headed off to meet janneppi but we decided to stay at the main corner which was ok, then were planning to go to Himos but passing Leustu decided we had enough time to go in to Novikov's jump, of course there was no space but it was ok, though a Latvian guy confirmed that I am just stupid because I declined his offer of vodka and cigarettes.....
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My experience of this years rally is quite positive.
I had 4 swiss guys visiting with the usual gang of idiots :)
Shakedown in the middle just to get to the feeling.
Laajavuori 1 on top of the tarmac section. Kinda boring though the 131 Abarth saved a lot.
Friday started with Urria 1 on the big jump.
Exellent jumps and my swiss friend got the piece from Latvala's car so his day started well. On Urria 2 the group split. Two guys stayed at the Hirvonen's jump and saw something really special and the rest of of the gang were lifting Semerad about 6 minutes on a righthander about 1 km later.
Then to Sirkkamäki 1 and 2 to see action at the end of the stage. Nothing special exept the Nikara's driving with his bonnet up.
Next Laajavuori 2 at the hairpin. Really nice spot not alot of people and what a variety of driving lines and techniques...
Saturday started with Kolonkulma at the rallycross track. Again the variety of lines taking that right hander on tarmac is huge. Kimi drove with open doors and puncture.
Then to Leustu 1 at Saakoski junction. Nothing special there exept one of the swiss guys really got the hang of rallying when a big stone almost hit him.
Last stage was Himos 2 where we were close to finish to see first some action and then the celebrations. Finest moment was when Kankkunen congratulated Latvala!!! :up:
All in all very easy rally. Not much traffic. Of course I know when and where to go if You want to avoid traffic. We saw 9/10 stages and saw speed and jumps. My guests were very satisfied to the rally. The two day format seems to work OK.
What really annoying me is the marshals stopping you from walking on stage road some 60-90 minutes before first car.
That makes people angry and stop up the public. Then signs should be even in english so that the international public can be avare of what to do and not to do.
This year I also notice that marked places for tenting was very few. That is against the very heritage of Finland. You should have the possibility to put up your tent at many prepared places during the rally. And not as now right in the cut clear forest with tree branches all over, places not mentionable...
Tha rally is the best in the series but there are much more to do to make foreign visitors more comfortable with the around matters.
Agree totally, luckily I know from forum members that these annoying people were not the usual case in Finland, but as it is I don't think my dad will ever go back, which is a shame as I wanted him to see Rally Finland as it is, maybe I was just expecting too much :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Jamie, Rallyper and all others, you should send some feedback to organisers because they are responsibles for most of those problems you´ve had. My personal opinion of this years rally is that it had nice battles and great driving but there were much more problems with marshalls and even with the organising body than previous years.
Maybe they´re really trying to get rid off all spectators, only for VIP visitors because they give more money to organisation?
As far as i know so do we still have this everymans right in Finland, that means that you can put up your tent where ever you like, aslong you dont do any damage or disturb, meaning not closer than about 200m to someones house, you dont need any signs to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
That is the main reason i am very sceptical of visiting events in civilised countries....the marshals being way too strict and "by the book", which ruins the experience. People standing 20-30 meters away from the stages and marked "no go" areas are in some absurd places which are perfect to watch the event and only a freak accident could cause trouble.
My plans included Germany and finland this year but when i go to an event i want to have some freedom. So i think france or spain and GB will replace those.
Well if you go to GB, bring plenty of money! It's the most expensive round for tickets in the WRC. However, it's a lot more relaxed than it was a few years ago regarding moving out of the 'pens'.
As for the money side of things Finland rally pass cost me €55 compared with £90 for GB. However, in Finland there was a €5 charge every time you parked the car, and €8 for the stupid bus stage (Myhinppa) - like Jamie above we missed the whole of the first running, despite being in the queue for the bus 2 hours before the stage, got into the stage just in time for second run, and people were waiting to leave. When after about 20 cars we decided to leave the queue for the departing bus was getting so long that spectators were on the stage at a crossing point!! We decided to walk, the 8 kms back to the car park. Imagine the reaction (especially on British Rally Forum) had that occured in GB. Have been to Finland several times before,(and has been my favourite) sad to say 2010 will be my last for a long time. Crowds and traffic jams, costs, fuel at €1,41 per litre, let alone food and drink prices....... it was as expensive as GB, and that event has taken a lot of bad press re costs for spectating.
well 90-100 BPs are not that expensive compared to other well organised events that have tickets, the only drawback is that the championships will be over by then so the only reason to visit the rally will be to see if solberg manages to win it in his last appearance in the WRC.
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Originally Posted by MJW
Oh dear, it seems the Finns have cottoned on to the fact there's plenty of money to be made from the Rally.
I think that the main problem with our marchals, is that many are there for the first time, nowdays its difficult to find volunteers so they bring people in from all over the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Also the spectator safety has become much stricter lately, I had a long talk about this a few years back with our Feds. ex. Boss A. Syvälahti, and the guy who fly the chopper before they start the stage, the chopper guy said then that FIA will take theese things more seriously, Like we can see by now, rallies who cant match certain level getts dropped like Monte, they did run a rally for years with 40-60% shortage of marchals.
I hope all of you who was present send feedback to AKK, what you think about this year's rally, it was only a test, because of the anniversery rally.
My feedback has already been sent to AKK. Dont get me wrong, the stages and commitment of the drivers, even down to the last C2 and Fiesta was brilliant. It was the crowds, marshalls, and costs, plus the two day format I didnt like. Also noted that central Finland hasnt escaped the recession, lots of closed businesses, from roadside grilli to factory units closed.
I usually go in good time to the stages, and often have a talk with the marshalls, actually its quite easy, if they are new its just to tell them how the cars take the line in that particular place, same goes with good spectating spots, no problem with those either sofar in any rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
My most sad experience regarding extra high security was the start of Sirkkamäki, where we had to walk beside the road for about 1 k about 90 minutes before first car. In some other stages the marshals where quite relaxed though. But generally it´s diifficult to move on in the stages before first car.
Regarding costs Finland is no way more expensive than others. And the feeling around the event is still just great!
As a experienced rallyfan you have to learn to act about 180 degrees from every man. Then you have no problems with queing and things.
(that means off course not that you´re visiting stages at other times, than when they´re used... :D )
Most of "no go"-areas in absurd places are caused from the fact that the landowner hasn't allowed any public to go to that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
For couple of years there has been a clear rule for walking on the road: 1 hour before start road is closed from public. It has worked well but this year there were problems due to the historic-cars, road was closed for walking actually an hour before their starting time (for example in Sirkkamäki) and it was not clearly mentioned.
Yet still the biggest problem with the marshals is, as someone already said, the fact that they are not familiar with this event or even with the whole rally thing. They have instructions and they just follow them... And it's not easy for them too!
And as we have huge crowds, there's a big part of audience (finnish&foreign) who have never been to a rally, and it's a big concern for the organisers. There's no way you could keep it as free as in some less crowded rallys or we would have huge amounts of stage cancellations, or worse, horrific accidents.
Anyway, didn't have any problems, loose schedule, small roads and relaxed mind are the thins to remember in Rally Finland.
talking to them is the solution but it gets difficult to communicate when you are not a local and get your point across.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
I very rarely spectate from the spots indicated by the guides. what i do is i run through the stages i want to see on shakedown day mark the valid parking places and then search for something interesting close by....the fact that the marshals in some events won't allow walking through the stage even 2-3 hours before the start really annoys me, so i prefer events with more relaxed spectating rules ususally in mediterranean/balkan/south europe countries.