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18th July 2011, 19:07
Daniel

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Originally Posted by janneppi

I'm currently thinking about getting a pen/tablet thingy for a mouse when using tv as monitor, a normal mouse wouldn't work well in that place. That or a wirelss keyboard with a touchpad. :)

Have you tried one of these?

http://images.maplin.co.uk/full/n18hc.jpg

We've got one for our bedroom PC and it works fine as a mouse.
18th July 2011, 19:41
janneppi

ARGH, another remote on the non-existing coffee table. :)
18th July 2011, 19:43
Daniel

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Originally Posted by janneppi

ARGH, another remote on the non-existing coffee table. :)

Well surely better than a pen and tablet! :)
18th July 2011, 20:31
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hey jag, Apple stock is doing well isn't it? DailyTech - Apple Stock Plunges as Investors "Think Different"

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I don't plan on buying any more shares right now, but I may buy some calls or sell some puts.

BTW, options expiration was this past Friday. :s mokin:

Daniel and I have been carrying on this playful banter of Apple vs. Microsoft for a long time now. I like Daniel and I rather enjoy it, as it makes me think and consider whether I'm acting/speaking on emotion or rational data. But from all the data I could gather, I saw no reason for a stock, that was set to beat earnings estimates on the next earnings call (shortly after options expiration on the 15th), to be trading as low as it was when I made that post - $320 or so? Luck or skill (luck more than skill, as everything happened to line up about the time Daniel made his post), buying the (cheap as dirt) out-of-the-money July $340 calls proved to be a nice move. I only wish options expiration had been today: AAPL is now sitting at all time high of $372/share, instead of the $365 last week.

Shares go up and down over time - 25 years of trading have taught me that much at least. AAPL may go up or AAPL may go down from here. But when the fundamentals are good (or great, in this case) and the technicals are on your side, BUY, BUY, BUY!!! :bounce: And never make a purchase or sale just because you're a fan or a foil of a company. Emotional investing seldom, if ever, works out in your favor. As speculative buys, I'm just waiting for the right time to buy shares or call options in both RIM and News Corp... and I have NO use for either company or their products/services.
18th July 2011, 22:33
race aficionado

I have some friends visiting from my hometown in Colombia and they were amazed at the amount of people on the Apple Store that they tried to get into in Manhattan. It was packed and people were buying, not just checking out and testing. It has to be all the gazillion tourists that this great city attracts and also the value of the dollar - and of course the quality of the product ;)
This all sure helps your stock portfolio Jag.

:s mokin:
19th July 2011, 22:23
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I have some friends visiting from my hometown in Colombia and they were amazed at the amount of people on the Apple Store that they tried to get into in Manhattan. It was packed and people were buying, not just checking out and testing. It has to be all the gazillion tourists that this great city attracts and also the value of the dollar - and of course the quality of the product ;)
This all sure helps your stock portfolio Jag.

:s mokin:

Your friends from Colombia sure must have bought a BUNCH of iPads! 9.25 million iPads sold in the quarter (consensus estimate was around 7 million, I believe), and that BLEW AWAY analysts' estimates. They also sold about 4 million more iPhones than analysts predicted. In the after-hours session, the stock is trading around $400/share (up about $20 from the 4PM close). 2009 and 2010 were great for trading/investing. This year has been VERY flat overall. But with this, Apple has saved the day.

Also, MSFT is getting pretty close to where I typically short it ($28/share +/-). And down around $25, I figure RIMM is probably worth a buy. But today belongs to the boys & girls over at AAPL. Great job, kids!!! :bounce: I hope all my new friends from Colombia got extra good service in the Apple Store - and return many, many times! :)
28th July 2011, 15:38
race aficionado

talking about the use of a pen - I still don't own a pad but a friend recommended this product for whenever I did purchase my iPad.

Does this interest anybody else?

Jot: Capacitive Touch Stylus by Adonit! by Kris Perpich

:s mokin:
15th August 2011, 13:17
DonJippo

Bye bye Motorola.
15th August 2011, 13:23
Daniel

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Bye bye Motorola.

Wonder if it had anything to do with this -> Motorola is open to windows phone 7- The Inquirer
15th August 2011, 13:45
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Wonder if it had anything to do with this -> Motorola is open to windows phone 7- The Inquirer

Nokia is up to 10% in Helsinki after news about Motorola & Google.
15th August 2011, 14:11
Daniel

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Nokia is up to 10% in Helsinki after news about Motorola & Google.

Interesting. Some are suggesting they're just buying up Motorola for patents. Patent trolling seems a good way to make money these days :rolleyes:
15th August 2011, 20:01
ioan

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Bye bye Motorola.

Or maybe the start of bye bye Apple?!
15th August 2011, 20:04
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can't think why. Motorola phones have awful software and have slipped behind in the technology race in recent years. I've owned a couple of Motorola's and although they were stylish at the time, they weren't as good as Nokia's 5 or 6 years ago. I can't say I was impressed when I tried out Motorola's attempt at an android phone a few months back either. It would be nice if they made a serious attack on the market once again however.

You should have a look at the way patents are being used at the moment by major companies...... it's disgusting
15th August 2011, 20:16
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

I've taken out several patents myself and can understand the frustration. Apple are one of the worst for that and sue any company that makes a phone that resembles theirs which I find amazing, even if they lose more often than they win.

I think if people come up with a genuinely good idea which is unique then it deserves protection, but Apple patenting the physical looks of their product is just ridiculous and SURELY there must be some corruption going on behind the scenes for such ridiculous patents to be granted. Car makers copy stuff all the time and as long as it's not actually being passed off as the original it's all good.

Just out of curiosity Henners, care to share the ideas which you patented?
15th August 2011, 20:21
Mark

Quite so. I mean the design of the iPad for example is good because it's entirely functional and anyone designing a tablet would come up with a similar design not because they've copied but because it's an optimal arrangement in the first place.
15th August 2011, 20:23
ioan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You should have a look at the way patents are being used at the moment by major companies...... it's disgusting

Exactly! :up:

> For Apple, No Tactic Is Too Sneaky When It Comes to Defending the iPad | BNET
15th August 2011, 20:27
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

One of them was a locking mechanism for a boat mooring rope that stopped thieves stealing your yacht from marina's. The others have not been used as of yet but have patents pending on them. I can't really give details of what they are as I have signed disclosure agreements with my employers. :)

I thought these are called non-disclosure agreements, or confidentiality agreements! ;)
15th August 2011, 20:28
ioan

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Originally Posted by Mark

Quite so. I mean the design of the iPad for example is good because it's entirely functional and anyone designing a tablet would come up with a similar design not because they've copied but because it's an optimal arrangement in the first place.

The first company who made a rectangular screen should sue the crap out of Apple! :D
15th August 2011, 20:31
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Mark

Quite so. I mean the design of the iPad for example is good because it's entirely functional and anyone designing a tablet would come up with a similar design not because they've copied but because it's an optimal arrangement in the first place.

Exactly. It's like patenting having a steering wheel, gear shift, clutch, accellerator and brake pedals as controls for a car.

It's just not something which should be something you're able to patent.

For instance Fiat's multiair technology which uses hydraulically operated valves is something which Fiat have developed at great cost and which has obvious practical uses and is unique not simply because of the shape of one particular part of it like an iPad...... this sort of thing should be rewarded with patents and in this way we'll encourage genuine creativity and advancement and not patent trolling. The sheer amont of patents which I've seen contested in court and having a judgement in favour of the patent holder when there has been clear prior art is freaking ridiculous and the courts should be ashamed of themselves.

How to get rich.
Patent some idea which you don't have the expertise, intelligence, inclination or money to develop into something useful.
Wait till it becomes a miniscule part of some successful product.
SUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or

Buy shedloads of patents like they're going out of fashion, doesn't matter if they're obvious and not worthy of being patents
Wait till they become a miniscule part of some successful product.
SUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15th August 2011, 20:31
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

You must have deleted the 'non' when you quoted me ioan.. :p

Nope! But you're getting better at correcting your mistakes. :up:
15th August 2011, 20:32
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

One of them was a locking mechanism for a boat mooring rope that stopped thieves stealing your yacht from marina's. The others have not been used as of yet but have patents pending on them. I can't really give details of what they are as I have signed non disclosure agreements with my employers. :)

Interesting :)
15th August 2011, 20:34
ioan

We live in a rotten world. Anyone who thinks it isn't the case feel free to make a point against it.
15th August 2011, 20:34
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by ioan

Or maybe the start of bye bye Apple?!

Like I said it earlier Apple is small potatoes or apples...the real fight will be between Android and Windows.
15th August 2011, 20:34
Daniel

I should also mention that the LG Prada is black and rectangular and predates the iPhone design.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

But still who cares about prior art......

Henners, can you send me some details of your boat mooring thing? I want to do the same thing but yellow and then patent it.
15th August 2011, 20:37
ioan

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Like I said it earlier Apple is small potatoes or apples...the real fight will be between Android and Windows.

Or maybe they will just share the market in a way both find it OK as none of them is perfect anyway and they rather complement each other.
15th August 2011, 20:39
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

I doubt it would fit a Fiat 500 mate, and it had yellow on it I'm afraid...... I might seek advice from Apple and sue you for simply considering it. I'm sure I have a case? :p :

Well with the courts here I'm sure I have a case against you and I've never even considered designing any anti-theft devices for boats :)
15th August 2011, 20:40
ioan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Henners, can you send me some details of your boat mooring thing? I want to do the same thing but yellow and then patent it.

That's not the way it's done.
You have to go to court and tell them that you have already thought about such system many years ago, no one will care if you even know how henners' companies' system looks or works, that's just technicalities and do not make any difference over the mere idea of IP infringement.
15th August 2011, 20:43
Daniel

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's not the way it's done.
You have to go to court and tell them that you have already thought about such system many years ago, no one will care if you even know how henners' companies' system looks or works, that's just technicalities and do not make any difference over the mere idea of IP infringement.

Well then tell me how the hell Apple have got courts here to ban Samsung from selling a product which looks like an Apple product which looks like an LG product which went to market before Apple's product and which Apple NEVER challenged?

If the Galaxy Tab infringes upong Apple's patent then so did the LG Prada and everyone knows that if you don't protect your patent then your patent is worthless. For Henners' patent to stand up, if someone infringes upon it, he has to make an attempt to protect it.
15th August 2011, 20:49
ioan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Well then tell me how the hell Apple have got courts here to ban Samsung from selling a product which looks like an Apple product which looks like an LG product which went to market before Apple's product and which Apple NEVER challenged?

If the Galaxy Tab infringes upong Apple's patent then so did the LG Prada and everyone knows that if you don't protect your patent then your patent is worthless. For Henners' patent to stand up, if someone infringes upon it, he has to make an attempt to protect it.

I guess you didn't read the link I posted on the previous page.
Here: For Apple, No Tactic Is Too Sneaky When It Comes to Defending the iPad | BNET

Finding the right court room seems to be the most important. Maybe the judge is an Apple fan, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
15th August 2011, 20:55
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

So are you, we are improving together!!.. :p :up:

You did delete part of my quote however! Now I'll think about suing you! ;)
15th August 2011, 20:56
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Like I said it earlier Apple is small potatoes or apples...the real fight will be between Android and Windows.

You mean Android vs. Windows Phone? Microsoft has actually lost even more marketshare since WP7 was released. It's currently just an also-ran mobile OS. The mobile OS fight will continue to be between the big boys: Android, iOS and Blackberry. WebOS and WP7 are just bit players.
15th August 2011, 20:59
ioan

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

You mean Android vs. Windows Phone? Microsoft has actually lost even more marketshare since WP7 was released. It's currently just an also-ran mobile OS. The mobile OS fight will continue to be between the big boys: Android, iOS and Blackberry. WebOS and WP7 are just bit players.

Maybe it will be Android vs WP8 or WP9 or 10 or 11?! All this while Apple will be busy defending rectangle and circle IP in court rooms against Aristotle and Pitagora.
15th August 2011, 21:05
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I could accuse you of the same thing, so we've got no choice but to see each other in court my friend. Bring it on lol.

My lawyer will send you a PM with the sentence tomorrow morning after he visits a certain German Courtroom! :p ;)
15th August 2011, 21:09
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'll bring my solicitor, my HTC that looks a little like an iphone, the laptop I am writing this on, and a £250,000 patent I took out on the sentence I am accusing you of altering. :eek:

I'm sure I posted and patented something VERY similar previously. I'll sell you the patent for that for £50 though.
15th August 2011, 21:13
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'll bring my solicitor, my HTC that looks a little like an iphone, the laptop I am writing this on, and a £250,000 patent I took out on the sentence I am accusing you of altering. :eek:

Well, I hate to brake it to you but I have already patented the suing process and the patenting process so I think I am 2 steps ahead! ;)

PS: Isn't it fun to play like this? man I should have become a lawyer! :rotflmao:
15th August 2011, 21:14
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

You mean Android vs. Windows Phone? Microsoft has actually lost even more marketshare since WP7 was released. It's currently just an also-ran mobile OS. The mobile OS fight will continue to be between the big boys: Android, iOS and Blackberry. WebOS and WP7 are just bit players.

I'm sorry but that's a very simplified view of it. Sure Apple stole a march on everyone, but they've done little else other than add features which others already had since before the original iPhone was launched......

A centralised App store is the only real innovation that Apple brought to the market and even that wasn't an innovation per se, just something they marketed well and placed restrictions on which ended up being a bonus for the customer.

Mom said it well with this

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15th August 2011, 21:16
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by ioan

Maybe it will be Android vs WP8 or WP9 or 10 or 11?! All this while Apple will be busy defending rectangle and circle IP in court rooms against Aristotle and Pitagora.

That's possible, though I don't see it as likely. Why, out of the blue, would MSFT all of a sudden get its mobile strategy right, when all its done up to this point is get it wrong? It could happen. Just as the lawsuits brought by Apple and Microsoft against Google could cripple Android - seen by most as the reason Google is buying Motorola Mobility. Google needs patents like a drowning man needs air. Instead of wasting money on Skype, Microsoft should have probably bought Motorola (IMO).

They're all suing each other. It's not one or two suing one or two. Everybody is getting "lawyered up".
15th August 2011, 21:21
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

That's possible, though I don't see it as likely. Why, out of the blue, would MSFT all of a sudden get its mobile strategy right, when all its done up to this point is get it wrong? It could happen. Just as the lawsuits brought by Apple and Microsoft against Google could cripple Android - seen by most as the reason Google is buying Motorola Mobility. Google needs patents like a drowning man needs air. Instead of wasting money on Skype, Microsoft should have probably bought Motorola (IMO).

They're all suing each other. It's not one or two suing one or two. Everybody is getting "lawyered up".

Perhaps Microsoft actually sees value in Skype other than in paying just to have google not have Skype....
15th August 2011, 21:23
ioan

Every now and then MSFT does get some things right otherwise they wouldn't be what they are. And together with a Nokia team that has knowledge of what mobility solutions should be like they might pull a rabbit again.

I still think that the market is big enough for all of them but the one that will do best is the one who offers an open and thus easily compatible OS.
15th August 2011, 22:17
Daniel

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Originally Posted by ioan

Every now and then MSFT does get some things right otherwise they wouldn't be what they are. And together with a Nokia team that has knowledge of what mobility solutions should be like they might pull a rabbit again.

I still think that the market is big enough for all of them but the one that will do best is the one who offers an open and thus easily compatible OS.

The way I look at it is like this. If tomorrow Apple announced that they were shutting up shop and no longer making anything, what would happen? People would merely move on to other stuff. If Microsoft announced they weren't making OS's for business or office packages for business or Server OS's for business then the world would quickly grind to a halt. If RIM shut up shop there would be a lot of problems.

Apple's problem is that they've got to be popular to really sell lots of their product. The moment Apple products become uncool or someone brings out something which gets even more hype then Apple will be kicked out of bed faster than a thing that kicks stuff out of bed fast. Will that be in a years time? 2 years time? 5 years time? Who knows, but it won't last forever.

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