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20th December 2007, 05:58
Koppomsbo

Hello all, im looking for a website link to a finnish site of a company who make old rallycars look like new. I think it have been up here before. something like mak tuning ... :s
20th December 2007, 21:42
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Hello all, im looking for a website link to a finnish site of a company who make old rallycars look like new. I think it have been up here before. something like mak tuning ... :s

Believe this is what you are looking for http://www.mat.fi/projects.htm
23rd December 2007, 21:02
Dalmi

Hello everybody

Can someone help me with the firts ten (or five) of the Spanish RACE Rally in 1971. I need driver-codriver, car and time and, if its possible, also the leading retirements.

Thank you in advance

Dalmi
24th December 2007, 13:36
Carles Bosch 2

Hola, Joan,

here you'll find what I have:

1) #1, Jean-Pierre Nicolas / Jean Todt, Alpine-Renault A110 1860, 9445,3 pts
2) #7, Bernard Fiorentino / Lucien Berbézy, Simca-CG MC Coupé, 11"3 away
3) #9, Estanislao Reverter / "Ventura" (Antonio Freire), Alpine-Porsche, A110, 8'55"4 away
4) #3, Sobieslaw Zasada / Ryszard Nowicki, BMW 2002 tii, 8'55"4 away, 1st Group 2
5) Alberto Ruiz-Giménez / Javier Bueno, Porsche 911S, 11'09"1 away
6) #4, Sandro Munari / Mario Mannucci, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF 1.6, 11'53"1 away
7) #11, Lucas Sáinz / Juan Carlos Oñoro, Alpine-Renault A110 1500F, 13'50"5 away, 1st Fabricación Nacional
8) Jacques Henry / Étienne Grobot, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S, 14'36"2 away
9) #22, Jean Paul Rieu / "Jimmy" (Jean-Paul Cuvelier?), BMW 2002 ti, 24'55"8 away, 1st Group 1
10) Franco Perazio / Romolo? Rossi, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF, 27'18"0 away

DNF:
Jean-Louis Haxhe, Daf
José Manuel Lencina / Antonio Mantecón, Seat 124 Sport Coupé
José Pavón, Renault 8
Manuel Juncosa / Pepito Adell, Seat 1430/1600
Villacieros, Renault 8 TS

Carles.
24th December 2007, 15:28
Dalmi

Gràcies una vegada més Carles
26th December 2007, 17:51
ciccio

Semperit Rallye and Dreistädte Rallye

Hello.
Someone can give me information about classification first 5 ?

- VI. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1962, 11 – 13/05/1962
- VII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1963, 03 – 05/05/1963
- VIII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1964, 22 – 24/05/1964
- IX. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1965 22. – 24/05/1965
- X. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1966 19. – 22/05/1966
- XI. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1967 19. – 22./05/1967
- XII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1968, 30/05 – 01/06/1968

- I. Drei Städte Rallye Monaco – Vienna – Budapest 1963
- II. Drei Städte Rallye Monaco – Vienna – Budapest 1964

Thanks Advance, :)
Ciccio
26th December 2007, 17:58
Koppomsbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4

Believe this is what you are looking for http://www.mat.fi/projects.htm

Yes! Great, thank u :up:
26th December 2007, 20:06
ciccio

Rallye Semperit - Drei Städte Rallye Monaco-Vienna-Budapest

Hello.
Someone can give me information about classification first 5 and Start - Finish points ?

- VI. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1962, 11 – 13/05/1962
- VII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1963, 03 – 05/05/1963
- VIII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1964, 22 – 24/05/1964
- IX. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1965 22. – 24/05/1965
- X. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1966 19. – 22/05/1966
- XI. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1967 19. – 22./05/1967
- XII. Internationale Semperit Rallye 1968, 30/05 – 01/06/1968

- I. Drei Städte Rallye Monaco – Vienna – Budapest 1963
- II. Drei Städte Rallye Monaco – Vienna – Budapest 1964

Thanks advance, :)
Ciccio
27th December 2007, 19:50
autohabit

Photos of Prodrive BMW M3's

Hi all, I am new on here, I am looking for photos of Prodrive BMW M3's in rallying. In particular I am looking for Vatanen on the '88 1000 Lakes, I have found a couple of photos but they are quite rare as he only completed a few stages. Any M3 photos are appreciated though, thanks.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y10...VatanenM31.jpg
2nd January 2008, 19:54
TES55K

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAL

I took this photo of Jimmy Rae on the 1972 Scottish Rally. Car is the Frew's of Perth Escort RS1600. In 1973, he won the BBC Wheelbase rally scholarship and the loan of an ex-works car for 1974 (the Mikkola 1973 RAC Rally car, OOO97M)

Hi "FAL" I have just joined Motorsport Forum and found your posting.
The car is TES55k, one of the two Escorts I built and competed in with James (aka Jimmy) in the early 70's
The fisrt, LES55G, a 1300 GT won us the 1970 Scottish Rally Championship.
The second, which you have photographed, was an RS1600 and won us the Scottish Rally Championship in 1972.
Would it be possible to have a hi-res scan of your pic? Do you have any more from that era?
Regards
Michael Malcolm
3rd January 2008, 12:11
FAL

I'll see what I can do with the original but it was only a small print and it may not be possible to improve it. Probably pure luck the car was in the frame at all, however professional the blurred scenery looks!
3rd January 2008, 14:22
FAL

I detact that there is a popular wish by the main users to keep this thread mainly for historical research of results records so I will refrain from posting too many photos. This is as it comes off the scanner:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/344/72scotjraeoa3.jpg

I suggest going to:
http://forums.autosport.com/forumdis...?s=&forumid=10
(where the rally fraternity are making some progress infiltrating a very racing- orientated forum) I will post what I have from the 72 Scottish there in the "Personal rally photos from..." thread - noting that one of the photos I have found is of car no 119 and the driver of car no 118 is already an existing member there!
3rd January 2008, 15:51
FAL

Photos now on TNF - link above.
4th January 2008, 21:23
Kaps

1989 Manufacturers' Championship

I have a question about 1989 Argentina rally for the manu' ch'ship.

Jonkka on his site has points scored by Renault 18 GTX in 5th pos. and VW Gol in 10th pos. added in Renaults' and VW's totals for the 1989 season.
All other sources I've managed to find list those points for a separate entries, namely 10 points for Renault Argentina and 1 point for Volkswagen Argentina, and not adding it to Renault or VW.
I'd like to know should these points be given to Renault and VW, or were Renault Argentina and Volkswagen Argentina really considered to be separate manufacturers?
8th January 2008, 10:37
TES55K

Being new to all this, I am not sure if my first reply worked - I cannot see it anywhere.
So, thank you again for your efforts. I am currently suffering from "something in my eye" seing the picture of the late Arthur Jasper - an old friend well remembered.
Regards
Michael
8th January 2008, 14:40
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by autohabit

Hi all, I am new on here, I am looking for photos of Prodrive BMW M3's in rallying. In particular I am looking for Vatanen on the '88 1000 Lakes, I have found a couple of photos but they are quite rare as he only completed a few stages. Any M3 photos are appreciated though, thanks.

I've noticed quite a few M3 rally photos on Forum-Auto on various threads (particularly in Belgium):
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme40/debut.htm
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme51/debut.htm
The Corsica-winning M3 is in the Prodrive museum I think.
8th January 2008, 23:40
Kaps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

I have a question about 1989 Argentina rally for the manu' ch'ship.

Jonkka on his site has points scored by Renault 18 GTX in 5th pos. and VW Gol in 10th pos. added in Renaults' and VW's totals for the 1989 season.
All other sources I've managed to find list those points for a separate entries, namely 10 points for Renault Argentina and 1 point for Volkswagen Argentina, and not adding it to Renault or VW.
I'd like to know should these points be given to Renault and VW, or were Renault Argentina and Volkswagen Argentina really considered to be separate manufacturers?

Last call on this one.

Anyone out there have any idea?
9th January 2008, 16:16
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

Last call on this one.
Anyone out there have any idea?

I vaguely recall there was trouble over it at the time. It was Brazil, not Argentina, wasn't it where they always had to pack the entry list with local Renaults to reach the FIA minimum number of starters to have WRC points awarded at all?
9th January 2008, 20:33
kabouter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

I have a question about 1989 Argentina rally for the manu' ch'ship.

Jonkka on his site has points scored by Renault 18 GTX in 5th pos. and VW Gol in 10th pos. added in Renaults' and VW's totals for the 1989 season.
All other sources I've managed to find list those points for a separate entries, namely 10 points for Renault Argentina and 1 point for Volkswagen Argentina, and not adding it to Renault or VW.
I'd like to know should these points be given to Renault and VW, or were Renault Argentina and Volkswagen Argentina really considered to be separate manufacturers?

All contemporary sources I have (for me the most important being Word Rallying) give separate points for Renault Argentina and VW Argentina. I don't know Jonkka's reasons for including the points with the "mother company".
10th January 2008, 11:42
Sardalense

What happened to Alex Fiorio, car number 9, in Rally Vinho Madeira 1998? I´m not finding him in the final results and in any retirements list.

Thanks
10th January 2008, 11:55
Kaps

Quote:

Originally Posted by kabouter

All contemporary sources I have (for me the most important being Word Rallying) give separate points for Renault Argentina and VW Argentina. I don't know Jonkka's reasons for including the points with the "mother company".

Thanks Tjeerd!
15th January 2008, 20:26
anihel

Hi,

Does anyone have information as to where I'd find the entry lists for the 1978, 1979 & 1980 Manx International Rally.

Thanks,

Anihel
17th January 2008, 16:56
Steve Boyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by anihel

Hi,

Does anyone have information as to where I'd find the entry lists for the 1978, 1979 & 1980 Manx International Rally.

Thanks,

Anihel

I have the results of the 1980 event which includes a start list. I can scan this and email as a PDF if you PM me with your email address.

Sorry I can't help with the other years.

Steve
18th January 2008, 11:11
Martin Liddle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

I have the results of the 1980 event which includes a start list.

Steve

I have managed to confuse myself (not difficult these days); was 1980 the first year TCS did the results? When did DTS get involved?
18th January 2008, 17:51
Steve Boyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Liddle

Steve

I have managed to confuse myself (not difficult these days); was 1980 the first year TCS did the results? When did DTS get involved?

Hi Martin

I have a copy of the 1980 results as I was servicing on the event that year & Rothmans seemed to be handing out copies to anyone who asked. The cover says they were "computer-printed by the business centre", with a Douglas address. The presentation of the results looks very much like yours but there's no mention on any of the pages of who produced the data. I'm in the process of scanning them for "Anihel" & have pointed him to David's archives for later years.

DTS first year was the 'Silver Jubilee' event in 1988, but the oldest results I can find since 1980 are 1991.

Steve
18th January 2008, 23:49
Martin Liddle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

The cover says they were "computer-printed by the business centre", with a Douglas address. The presentation of the results looks very much like yours but there's no mention on any of the pages of who produced the data. DTS first year was the 'Silver Jubilee' event in 1988, but the oldest results I can find since 1980 are 1991.

Thanks Steve, must go into the loft and consult my archive. I should have all the years from 1980 to 2005 except 1999. Thinking about it I believe 1980 was our first year. It was the year we transitioned from using a time sharing bureau to using our own micro computers; North Start Horizons with a 4MHz processor, 48KB (yes KB) of RAM and twin 5.25" floppy disk drives. Not sure if it was 1980 or 1981 that the press system made its debut having been finished (more or less) on the ferry over to the Island.
22nd January 2008, 14:35
Kaps

1990 FINA Jolly Club entries of WRC

In 1990, Fina Jolly Club entered the following World Championship rallies:

Monte Carlo; Cerrato/Cerri, Saby/Grataloup
Portugal; Cerrato/Cerri
Corse; Saby/Grataloup
Acropolis; Fiorio/Pirollo
1000 Lakes; Fiorio/Pirollo
San Remo; Fiorio/Pirollo, Cerrato/Cerri
R.A.C.; Droogmans/Joosten

Please correct if something's wrong, or add if something's missing here.

PS Saby's entries (Monte & Corse) are not listed as Jolly Club, but as Lancia Fina. But I believe this is the same team, isn't it?
24th January 2008, 16:24
Kaps

Nothing, again?

Does anybody know if Didier Auriol drove with Martini Lancia or Jolly Club at the 1990 RAC?
25th January 2008, 09:41
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

Nothing, again?

Does anybody know if Didier Auriol drove with Martini Lancia or Jolly Club at the 1990 RAC?

According to Holmes' yearbook Jolly Club entered following crews in following rallies in 1990:
MC - Cerrato/Cerri;
P - Cerrato/Cerri;
GR - Fiorio/Pirollo;
FIN - Fiorio/Pirollo;
I - Cerrato/Cerri, Fiorio/Pirollo;
GB - Auriol/Occelli, Droogmans/Joosten;

Bruno Saby's entrant was Lancia Fina Racing, but no idea who prepared and serviced his Lancia;

Regards
Janusz
25th January 2008, 19:21
Kaps

Thank you very much janusz!
25th January 2008, 22:13
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

Nothing, again?

Does anybody know if Didier Auriol drove with Martini Lancia or Jolly Club at the 1990 RAC?

If I'm thinking of the right year (will check), Fina colours (and was leading at one point).
28th January 2008, 12:20
kabouter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

PS Saby's entries (Monte & Corse) are not listed as Jolly Club, but as Lancia Fina. But I believe this is the same team, isn't it?

I cannot find any information in either World Rallying or Rally's & Races about who serviced Saby's Lancia. It could well have been the French Lancia importer running his car. No mention of Saby in connection with Jolly Club.
28th January 2008, 17:17
Josti

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAL

If I'm thinking of the right year (will check), Fina colours (and was leading at one point).

Yes, after Totip, Jolly Club ran under Fina colours in both 1990 and 1991. It's likely that Saby's car was also under their service.
28th January 2008, 19:54
jrally

Saby's car was entered by Grenoble Sport Auto with the support of Lancia France (Concurent was Lancia - Fina) and Cerrato was entered by Jolly Club.

Regards
jorge
28th January 2008, 22:32
Kaps

Thanks janusz, jrally, kabouter, fal & josti!

I still find it strange to have similar looking cars (in exactly the same FINA livery) being entered by different entrants, but there you are.

In 1991, I've found out that Saby's & Loubet's car at Monte were both entered by Lancia Fina, and yet Saby's car had French license plates, while Loubet's had Italian ones!
All the cars being Lancia Deltas, of course.
30th January 2008, 12:07
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

Thanks janusz, jrally, kabouter, fal & josti!

I still find it strange to have similar looking cars (in exactly the same FINA livery) being entered by different entrants, but there you are.

In 1991, I've found out that Saby's & Loubet's car at Monte were both entered by Lancia Fina, and yet Saby's car had French license plates, while Loubet's had Italian ones!
All the cars being Lancia Deltas, of course.

And now change the subject. That question is dedicated to you Kaps. In 1957 in Rally Poland (sometimes known as Polish Rally) there were crews from Yugoslavia taking part. It was a certain S. Vidmar (Porsche 356 1300 S) and Santavic (Fiat TV). Do you know their first names?
Then in 1964 4 Yugoslavian crews with Zastrava 750 were entered but having only entry list I know only numbers reserved to them:27, 28, 29, 67. All I know is that some YU drivers took part in Poland Rally 1964, maybe you can know their names, too.
Regards
Janusz
31st January 2008, 19:30
Kaps

I'm very sorry that I can't help you, but I have absolutely no idea about that.
Or, in fact about anything pre-1973.

Sorry!
31st January 2008, 20:46
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

According to Holmes' yearbook Jolly Club entered following crews in following rallies in 1990:
MC - Cerrato/Cerri;
P - Cerrato/Cerri;
GR - Fiorio/Pirollo;
FIN - Fiorio/Pirollo;
I - Cerrato/Cerri, Fiorio/Pirollo;
GB - Auriol/Occelli, Droogmans/Joosten;

Bruno Saby's entrant was Lancia Fina Racing, but no idea who prepared and serviced his Lancia;

Regards
Janusz

Jesus Puras was entered by Jolly Club during 1990, but I believe this was the Spanish arm.
3rd February 2008, 13:24
Kaps

At 1990 R.A.C., Mats Jonsson finished 4th in a private Toyota Celica GT Four.

His co-driver was Anders Olsson or Lars Backman?
3rd February 2008, 13:38
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

At 1990 R.A.C., Mats Jonsson finished 4th in a private Toyota Celica GT Four.

His co-driver was Anders Olsson or Lars Backman?

Lars Backman

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