Ask the TEAMS, e-mail them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
You're little hissy fit about a phone call about indy is so typical of the wringing of hands that goes on at TF trying denigrate the series. It's laughable at best.
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Ask the TEAMS, e-mail them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
You're little hissy fit about a phone call about indy is so typical of the wringing of hands that goes on at TF trying denigrate the series. It's laughable at best.
"I can absolutely tell you that no one in Champ Car management or I or Paul or Dan or Jerry have had any conversations with the IRL in a year," said Kalkhoven."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
You write it off as "laughable" because that is the only way you can dispell it. You can't approach it logically, because there is no logic in your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
Somewhat better than your comprehensive skills, apparently. At first you quoted Kalkhoven as stating that he had not had discussions with Tony George, then you provide the actual quote where it was "the IRL". As they are not the same entity, which is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
Hopefully you fellows have a better understanding of home ec. than you do of (basic) business and legal entities.
Yet, Jag, you guys would be the first to say that "if he was talking to TG, he was talking to the IRL."
I would just say that if you are talking with the OWNER of the IRL, you are talking to the IRL. Especially when you are talking about participation in the IRL's largest race.
BTW, make sure you see my PM.
I did and I appreciate that. Thank you.
But now, as for this "you guys" comment, you apparently didn't get the memo that I don't drink the Kool-Aid from either series. Other than commenting on what a trainwreck BOTH series have become, I basically don't take sides these days. I simply stated the difference between what you claimed Kalkhoven said, and what he actually said.
To get the fur on my neck up, you'd have to take a swipe at Lewis Hamilton or something that I genuinely care about. All I'm doing here is commenting on two racing series which are both on life support, and a form of racing that appears to be dying in America.
Lewis Hamilton? What a wuss!!! ;)
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I don’t know what they may or may not be doing as to making their financials appealing for a potential buyer, but I’ve seen what they present to a potential/actual promoter. The only thing I can figure is Mazda and Bridgestone are paying ad rates that would be more applicable to a broadcast with 4 or 5 times the viewership CC is getting. But as they say, "it looks good on paper".Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
-John
I also suspect that what these companies are paying is very little in terms of actual dollars so that only compounds the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by john2112
All this reminds me of Jim Fruedenberg reportedly pointing to "his success" in Denver as indicator of the potential "success" in Vegas and Phoenix. Funny how that turned out to be true. I am told that the Fruedster promised 180,000 fans (like Denver-what a joke on both accounts) would be in town this past Easter. Right. Sure I will buy some more Enron stock please!
The point of this thread is what happens next isn't it? Money seems to have a lot to do with that doesn't it?
So show me the money!
Where is all this income coming from to put the series 'in the black" as the owners of OWRS claim?
Promoters? That seems to be what they would have us all believe. Well, scratch China and Phoenix. I hear talk that Vegas and other North American promoters are balking at paying what is asked too because ChampCar has not been delivering what they promised. The rumor is out there that the Vegas GP is being shopped ... but so far no takers. I also hear that Vegas, Houston, Cleveland, San Jose, St. Jovite and, Edmonton all lost serious dollars in 2007.
Dr Jack nailed the reason: There is simply no economy in Champ Car.
It is obvious that Sanquin is fanatically invested in being right about ChampCar and he is one of the 'Internet Operatives" that the owners confide in and ask to defend against those who doubt. Just look at the sheer number of posts he has in only nine days under his current screen name.
I ask everyone to go back to my other post and do the math. Consider how much income ChampCar and IndyCar can really have and how much expense that they both must deal with.
I think that will offer a clue to what happens next and that has nothing to do with ChampCar turning a phantom profit.
One thing that has happened next is that the latest, greatest new European sponsor AKA Trust has now gone to GP2. I guess they didn't trust ChampCar to deliver on the promises made or the found more value in the stability and comparative legitimacy of GP2 which soon gets a faster and sexier new car along with a direct linkage to F1 which is where most of the sponsors that the Kalkhoven and Co. are now targeting really want to be.
Then there is the coming defection of Dario Franchiiti and Sam Hornish to NASCAR... that is also about money. Losing both hurts all of open wheel racing in the USA. Until there is one series, this sort of thing will continue to happen.
I loved CART and yes I know it is dead but IMHO, ChampCar and the IRL are both are trying to practice identity theft and most of us can spot a fake. I agree with Dr. Jack, I want The Real Thing and that starts with the truth.