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Except that there are legal defintions that do exist and you still haven't explained why the Principal Intellectual Property Rights of Design Rights and the Laws of Confidential Information do not apply to your beloved Mclaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flat.tyres
If that is your definition of prevailing in an argument, then no wonder your knowledge of the law is so sketchy.
I know, I know. me and the FIA unamimously agree that McLaren are guilty on a technicality but should not be punished as the events were outside their control and prejudicial to their best interest but your superior legal accumen dispells all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
bravo, sir, bravo. your right, the rest of us are mere annoyances irritating the expanse of your superior legal intellect.
Happy now?
either that or your wrong but cant admit it :D
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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres
And , this kids , is the way to end , not win , a debate .
Please don't try this at home .
Like drinking buddies at the local pub? Are those the "proper authorities" because I feel comfortable with them? The proper authorities are those who would have a formal jurisdiction over the company - most cases would be the legal system, a trade union, or a government agency presiding over businesses - NEVER a direct competitor! If I work for McDonald's and I discover they are adding fillers to their beef to save money, should I go to Burger King?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
So Stepney felt guilty that Ferrari were using the flex-floor and had to tell someone? I rather think he was trying to get back at them for not releasing him last year.Quote:
Now, in the context of Stepneygate, if we assume what Stepney is alleged to have done is whistleblowing then we also have to assume he felt unable to raise the issue internally. Given that the concern was that Ferrari’s floor had been designed to get around the existing rules, it hardly seems worth Stepney telling his bosses something they already knew, even if Ferrari do have a whistleblowing policy!
If he was truly being a "whistleblower" and had gone to the FIA, he would have been legally protected even if his name was revealed. Unless Italy has some strange laws, Ferrari could not have done anything to Stepney if he had chosen this proper route, without fear of serious legal repercussions.Quote:
So, what was his next move? What was the best way to maintain his own confidentiality and not risk reprisals from his employer. The FIA? Perhaps, although as the direct provider of information to the FIA it is very likely that his name would be revealed to his employer at an early stage.
Basically, you're saying that Stepney "felt guilty" about the floor and was "afraid" to tell anyone at Ferrari or the FIA so he went to his good friend, Coughlan, (who just happened to work for a direct competitor) for "clearing his conscience."
That's a good one! I'm not even sure Stepney's lawyers could twist the events around that perversely!!! :)
My stance is still Stepney = Spy
Not quite. I was merely providing a possible scenario of the way things went in the context of whistelblowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
I don't know what Stepney felt, or what his motivations were. Bear in mind that he has deniedsending the email!
As I said earlier I think there are many questions relating to Stepney's situation at Ferrari that are yet to be answered which are central to this whole situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
That shouldn't be too difficult to prove, one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Arrows, Ron Dennis has confirmed he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=32299
Atleast one of the two, Ron or Stepney, is telling porkies.
Perhaps, although what if it came from Stepney's Ferrari email address, but wasn't sent by Stepney? :crazy: :p : Both of them would be telling the truth in that case ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
What if the "flex-floor" virus hit Stepney's computer and it automatically generated emails to everyone on his contact list and then onto their contact lists until it finally ended up in the hands of McLaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
That could happen, too, but it's not likely. Sometimes, the simplest answer is the truth whether we want to believe it or not...
And would Ferrari be wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Are the FIA doing their job properly?
Can you say that "found guilty but not punished" is a properly done job?