Rally1 hybrid cars (2022-)

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Originally Posted by fiscorpun

3 manfacturers is fine. It is a great number. I see people wanting more brands and more cars but 3 brands and 8 or 9 cars is already a great number. I mean, its never good to have too many brands cuz they eventually leave because they cant win. Only one brand can win per year. And when one leaves, others may follow them for that same reason. The car count is low right now but its also fine. We probably dont have the 8 best rally drivers in the championship's top class right now but we can also follow them in wrc2, erc and national championships.
About the hybrid. I think its just great cuz we can have petrol cars in the stages and "electric" on the streets in between stages, following the european rules. Its great. I dont think we are ready for all electric cars on stages yet.. And I dont think R5s are the best we should have. So we have the best from both worlds!
WRC is doing fine. Its difficult to promote, but it has always been difficult to promote. This is where it could improve a little, maybe? It'd be cool to add a "green propaganda" thing too. (sorry!)
With the bio fuels and with the electric engine for the streets.
WRC 2022 will be great. Dont worry!

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Yves Matton, is that you?!

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Originally Posted by HKSjbg

Could’ve easily said that about Toyota coming fresh into WRC in 2017 no?

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You could say that about VW coming in 2013. But they were an automotive monster and put everything in to he the very best, not just 'competitive'. Plus they also bought a certain (now 7x Champion) Mr Ogier.

clips of Hyundai with Tänak in Finland

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Originally Posted by TypeR

Yves Matton, is that you?!

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hahahahhahaha mmmmmaybe?
just kidding. No Im not, sorry mate =P

F1 has managed for many years to get at least 10 teams on the grid. In the past they had often way more candidates than available places.
Meanwhile wrc struggles to keep 2 teams.

The difference? F1 does not require an official car maker to build a car. F1 does not require expensive homologation procedures that can only be done by some big marque.

Anyone who can find the money should be able to build a wrc car. I'm sure a lot of compagnies could build very capable cars if they would be allowed to.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

F1 has managed for many years to get at least 10 teams on the grid. In the past they had often way more candidates than available places.
Meanwhile wrc struggles to keep 2 teams.

The difference? F1 does not require an official car maker to build a car. F1 does not require expensive homologation procedures that can only be done by some big marque.

Anyone who can find the money should be able to build a wrc car. I'm sure a lot of compagnies could build very capable cars if they would be allowed to.

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Yet it did cost Mercedes $5,490,812 just to enter in 2020...

F1 directly pays money to teams, in these old numbers from 2016 it was 42 million USD to every team. With point bonuses even the weakest team got 56 mil:

https://sillyseason.com/money/formul...-money-118349/

Afaik WRC teams get nothing.

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Yet it did cost Mercedes $5,490,812 just to enter in 2020...

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They pay their enty fee based on the amount of points they had the year before. Williams payd 562.000 euro entry fee.

And at the end of the year mercedes got 177 million back as price money, while williams received 60 million.


Meanwhile every wrc factory team must pay 326.000 euro's and gets nothing back for winning.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

F1 has managed for many years to get at least 10 teams on the grid. In the past they had often way more candidates than available places.
Meanwhile wrc struggles to keep 2 teams.

The difference? F1 does not require an official car maker to build a car. F1 does not require expensive homologation procedures that can only be done by some big marque.

Anyone who can find the money should be able to build a wrc car. I'm sure a lot of compagnies could build very capable cars if they would be allowed to.

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If F1 could get away with having three Constructors, with all the teams using those three cars, they arguably would. Even with it being against the spirit of the rules, you have aspects of it with Ferrari & Haas, Mercedes & Force India/Aston Martin, Red Bull & Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri.

If anything, having to build your own car has been a major limiting factor for F1 entries.

F1 has managed to avoid going down to 16 cars at various points because the Promoter/Bernie got involved, because if the number of cars dropped bellow that it had various contractual implications for the promoter. That's why Jordan and Minardi in their various forms survived the superpower years.

If the WRC were in the same position as F1, it'd be ideally suited to the likes of Qatar/Abu Dhabi, Lukoil or Lotos or even Red Bull running their own private Yaris, I20 or Fiestas teams with equipment from the manufacturers.

To be honest, I don't think any series can/ should try to compare themselves to F1. It's just a huge juggernaut that pulls in massive numbers worldwide and generates money most other series can only dream of.

MotoGP has factory, and satellite teams, which ensures a healthy grid. So you'll have Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Suzuki, KTM & Aprilia all with factory teams, plus the satellites. And it works - producing the most competitive racing around.