George Zimmerman verdict just in . . .

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Originally Posted by Starter

You mean this one?

4) :rotflmao:

You Americans have a warped view of the value of life.....

I guess if you count valuing your own life over that of someone trying to beat your head in as warped, then yes guilty as charged.

You have to understand. We are not ashamed to say we value our lives. Some people like Daniel are ashamed until they face their own mortality. Then they screech and whine like is expected from them.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

At least it is better of cowardice.

Speaking of which remember this?

Well I did and yet you seem to have drifted over to the other side of the podium you like to pontificate from and go another direction.

Are you actually stating that I'm a coward, Anthonyvop? How idiotic.

At any rate, where is OUR great freedom of speech and assembly.

By Ruben Vives, Robert J. Lopez and Andrew Blankstein July 16, 2013, 6:34 a.m.

Los Angeles police arrested 14 people overnight for failing to disperse after hundreds of protesters splintered off a peaceful demonstration.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The difference being that Martin committed 2 possibly 3, criminal acts(trespassing and assault & Possibly attempted murder) while Zimmerman committed none.

When did Trayvon Martin commit these "crimes" as you state?

Was it before or after Zimmerman left the vehicle? Was it before and that was why he was followed by Trayvon?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

When did Trayvon Martin commit these "crimes" as you state?

Was it before or after Zimmerman left the vehicle? Was it before and that was why he was followed by Trayvon?

Before Zimmerman left the vehicle, trayvon was guilty of these crimes:
jaywalking
trespassing
using a hood to obscure his face -- yes, it's illegal in Florida to do that
illegal drug possession -- yes, he had drugs in his system, which is criminal in Florida and many other states.

Obviously jaywalking is pretty negligible, but the other three all contributed significantly to the impression of a suspicious character. Zimmerman specifically said he appeared to be on drugs.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

I think the following pretty well sums it up very correctly

I think the reactions of the George Zimmerman verdict have shown us once again what is leading to the decline of this country and why it is more important than ever to be self-reliant and to prepare for uncertain times. .....My point is… We have many people in this nation who fail to even look at the facts so they can make an intelligent comment on the case, but more importantly, we have a nation of people who don’t believe a person should be responsible for their actions. I find it troubling that the President of our country – who ought to try and be an example – would tell the nation to “honor” Trayvon Martin. ........ He’s not saying that we need to take responsibility for our actions ..... But again, my big problem is the lack of personal responsibility in this country. It’s the notion that we can do whatever we want without consequences, and that someone or something (such as the government) will bail us out or take care of us. In fact, the only reactions I don’t blame are Trayvon’s parents. I think we can agree that if your child died, no matter what caused it, you would want the person that killed them to be prosecuted… I’m sure I certainly would. But everyone else, not so emotionally close to the case should be teaching their children personal responsibility. And that you don’t go around starting fights and punching people and if you do, there are consequences to be paid. I guess what I’m really trying to say is, instead of all of the hate being spouted from both sides and instead of Geraldo Riveria and Al Sharpton stirring things up just to get their time in front of the camera, we should be teaching our kids and our nation to be responsible for their actions.

Next thing you will be muttering in your paranoia is that large cities like Detroit will be going bankrupt and "will not be around to bail us out"....We all know that is not going to happen with any large city........ :dozey:

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Before Zimmerman left the vehicle, trayvon was guilty of these crimes:
jaywalking
trespassing
using a hood to obscure his face -- yes, it's illegal in Florida to do that
illegal drug possession -- yes, he had drugs in his system, which is criminal in Florida and many other states.

Obviously jaywalking is pretty negligible, but the other three all contributed significantly to the impression of a suspicious character. Zimmerman specifically said he appeared to be on drugs.

Ummm no.

Jaywalking, whatever.
Drugs? He wasn't in possession of drugs, he had a tiny amount of drugs in his system, if he'd been arrested that night he wouldn't have been prosecuted or even given a warning for it. The amount of drugs in his system were small and wouldn't have resulted in a difference in behaviour, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Trespassing? He was being pursued by someone he didn't know, should he stay out of people's gardens just to stay legal whilst running from someone who later turned out to have a gun......

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ummm no.

Jaywalking, whatever.
Drugs? He wasn't in possession of drugs, he had a tiny amount of drugs in his system, if he'd been arrested that night he wouldn't have been prosecuted or even given a warning for it. The amount of drugs in his system were small and wouldn't have resulted in a difference in behaviour, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Trespassing? He was being pursued by someone he didn't know, should he stay out of people's gardens just to stay legal whilst running from someone who later turned out to have a gun......

i think you have already demonstrated your profound ignorance of USA laws. There is no need to convince us further. We get it, you have no clue.

The medical examiner took blood from the chest cavity instead of the extremities, a major no-no for determining drug levels. His actual levels of THC could have been many times higher.The actual amount is irrelevant to whether it is legal or not. It's illegal to have THC metabolites in your system in Florida. No debate. That's the law. The end.

You are also totally off base regarding the trespassing. the trespassing occurred before Zimmerman followed Trayvon, when he was cutting through a segment of the town homes. That's when Zimmerman first laid eyes on him, and one of the many reasons he appeared suspicious.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

i think you have already demonstrated your profound ignorance of USA laws. There is no need to convince us further. We get it, you have no clue.

The medical examiner took blood from the chest cavity instead of the extremities, a major no-no for determining drug levels. His actual levels of THC could have been many times higher.The actual amount is irrelevant to whether it is legal or not. It's illegal to have THC metabolites in your system in Florida. No debate. That's the law. The end.

You are also totally off base regarding the trespassing. the trespassing occurred before Zimmerman followed Trayvon, when he was cutting through a segment of the town homes. That's when Zimmerman first laid eyes on him, and one of the many reasons he appeared suspicious.

Why was Ferris Bueller not arrested on his final return home from his 'day off' then? ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Why was Ferris Bueller not arrested on his final return home from his 'day off' then? ;)

You didn't know Mathew Brodderick was Jewish???

heh. Joking aside, generally you can't get blood samples from someone else they are being charged with some other crime. assuming trayvon had survived the gunshot he definitely would have had his blood tested for the presence of drugs.