You can dismiss his opinions all you want, but his "uneducated" vote has the same value as your "educated" vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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You can dismiss his opinions all you want, but his "uneducated" vote has the same value as your "educated" vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I have to wonder what propaganda is fed to people in parts of the USA. Some of the crypto-fascist views expressed here frighten me. How can someone claim to be educated and not know the difference between Socialism and Communism?
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Originally Posted by D-Type
It's not just fed, the metaphor would have to be "What drive some people to gorge themselves to bursting on this divisive, hate fueled and hate filled diet?"..
Although there is in all the English speaking countries there is some degree of a contempt for "eggheads" or "ack-a-demmicks", even that vitally important position: teachers... we see it in the crap spit out by knucklescrapers when they say "those can can do, those that can't teach".......(never realising the irony of their ability to read and repeat stupid dogma is thanks to a teacher teaching them---and ironically ignoring the huge role of "talking heads" TV commentators who neither instruct or do, but repeat crap constantly so they have some noise in their empty skulls) .
Pommieland has its Chavs, Oz its bogans, but nobody pays any attention to them cause they're idiots.
We have our "highschool education only, probably trade skills middle aged (or wannabe middleaged) males" who seriously defiantly say "I haven't read a gawddayum book since highschool"..
And you folks have no idea what a joke, what an insult, what a triumph of mindlessless US Highschool is.
So, many would never claim to be educated, they would be instant social outcasts if they dared do that.
And if you have education and/or actual personal experience beyond the "highschool education only, probably trade skills middle aged (or wannabe middleaged) males", the inavriable answer is exactly what you see here from the "usual suspects".....
totally disregard whatever you say and reply with a poster AND some Old Testament quote
(Notice how they avoid the New Testament---that's the one full of all that be kind to your neighbors" and help strangers stuff that sounds like filthy comma-nist propaganda....and full disclose time: I was raised in the Evangelically drenched US South is the 50s/early 60s and I adsorbed the ideas and ideals---so when I immigrated to Sweden at 17 to learn my trade---racing---my mind was well prepared for the logical extension of the idea of universal brotherhood which was International Socialism...kinda ironic that New Testament style stuff is the root of Socialism....)
But his underlying opinions, based as they are on a position of ignorance, don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
I see no claim to be educated here, alas.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
If you don't know, why don't you ask so that you can understand rather than subcontracting your own arguments out to images on the internet?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Directly responding, with your own reasons, to claims you don't agree with would be a start. Did you even read and attempt to understand the viewpoints in this thread?
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Leveling "Spineless and all in it for himself" against an opponent of Romney seems a bit silly, to be honest. Romney will say pretty much anything and argue any point of view if the bottom line is popularity.
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I don't know what has happened to conservatives or conservative pundits in this country, but they appear to have lost the ability to reason.
Take for example the idea that 47% of households don't pay any income tax. That is true, but do they ever stop and ask why? They seem to imply that these people are just takers,living off the largesse of society, but 5 minutes of analysis reveals this not to be true, so why does the idea persist?
I don't know if the graph will display properly but here is the breakdown:
53% pay income taxes, 47% don't.
The 47% breakdown as follows:
28.3% pay payroll taxes
10.3% are elderly
6.9% are nonelderly income under $20,000
1% are other
Well, right off the bat you see 10.3% are people like my parents who are retired, living off savings, social security and medicare. Of course,they paid in for 40 years so they certainly feel like they have earned it.
I suppose the 6.9% who are poor and the 1% other could be considered "takers" and not "contributors" of society, I don't know, I cannot say for certain who these people are, but 7.9% is a far cry from 47%.
So that leaves the 28.3% who pay payroll, but no income taxes. What it means is that these families got back 100% of their witholding when they filed taxes. How? Well,the first thing I would point to is kids. A $1000 tax credit per child goes along way toward eliminating tax liability. The next thing is saving for retirement. IRA's and 401k's all reduce tax liability. Then there is purchasing health insurance and health savings accounts,and flexible-spending accounts. At most companies, these contributions are taken out pre-tax, so they reduce your top-line income amount (but not your social security(payroll)) amount. Then there is charity, mortgage interest, and all of the other assorted tax deductions.
So my question is this. When all of these ideas; saving for retirement, taking care of your own health care, giving, having children, owning a home; ideas championed by conservatives, are taken advantage of, why are they now complaining that we are not doing enough? Several times in the 2000's I got back 100% of withholding through careful tax planning, even making as much as $70,000/year. I thought I was being a good conservative, but I guess I was just being a freeloader.
The GOP seems to me as having lost their way. I read an article the other day talking about the disintegration of the Whigs in the 1800's, I wonder if that could happen today.
Well take you suggestion of anti-Socialism/Communism and apply it to your compaints:Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Unemployment higher than ever
- Two things:
1. Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 25.2%. It is now 8.1% or only a third of that. Your statement is materially wrong.
2. So what about unemployment? From a free-market viewpoint, unemployment is a consequence of there being an oversupply of labour or an underdemand of it. Suggesting that the government do anything is decidedly socialist - which you are complaining about.
Oil Prices high
- Oil prices are determined by supply and demand. Petrol in the United States is pretty well already near the cheapest in the developed world. Are you asking the government to interfere in the market and alter petrol prices and thus act with a policy with is decidedly socialist - which you are complaining about.
Ruining the healthcare system
- You already pretty well have the least socialist health care system in the world. The main reason why health care is so expensive in the United States is down to a combination of obesity rates (caused by free market choices and people's basic lack of self-control) and lack of tort reform. If you're asking for tort reform, then you're asking the government to impose more regulation which is decidedly socialist - which you are complaining about.
Lack of Military Support
- The Military itself by definition is a Socialist/Communist entity as it is a government owned monopoly. I assume you could set up private mercenary forces but if you're calling for the government to increase military spending, then you're asking the government to act with a socialistic policy - which you are complaining about.
Not defending our borders
Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
- I would have thought that under NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and especially NAALC (North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation) that the free movement of labour within the bloc was the best free-market policy. Surely you want people to stay, work and get driver's licenses, etc. in order to satisfy the requirements of labour demands.
Why are you yet again asking the government to act against this in a socialist manner? Presumably you're asking for this on the basis of protectionist reasoning but again asking the government is act is by defnition a socialistic policy - which you are complaining about.
Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-
- So? Credit Ratings and assessment are based on the forces of supply and demand with regards the cost of money. If you're asking the government to sure up the credit rating and the currency, then you are in effect either asking it to interfere on money markets or credit markets; both of which by definition are socialistic policies - which you are complaining about.
Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
- Since 1953 (which was the last recorded fiscal surplus in the US) there have been only two months of government surplus since - Jun 1969 and Apr 2012 (I do believe that Apr 2012 may have been within Obama's tenure)
If government spending was slashed to ZERO, at FY2011 taxation receipts of $2303Bn and an interest rate of 4%, it would still take 8 years and 2 months to clear the debt; by which stage you would have shrunk the economy by reducing aggregate incomes so much that unemployment probably would have exceeded that even of the 1930s.
Also, the last time the US was actually government debt-free was in 1836. Collectively as a nation you've had easily the best part of 176 years to sort the problem. Are you actually requesting to pay more in tax to solve the issue?
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Originally Posted by Rollo
To sum up: facts don't lie but the willful ignorance, inability to critically think and flat laziness of some "target demographics"
ALLOWS LIARS TO MAKE STUPID POSTERS in which every single point is a lie...and have it swallowed whole without a moments thought..
Again it si the reliable, predictable hate of people like "the usual suspects here" along with the known ---and amply demonstrated---intellectual sloth,
which allows regressive, ravenously greedy, flat evil people to gain legislative power and then legally plunder the whole country---and damage much of the world while they're at it..
Collateral damage and all (Sorry everybody :D )
If you're trying to lose weight and want some sickening reading, read how George W Bush and some of his daddy's friends managed to legally condemn, and evict and pay mere fractions of market rates for the properties the slimy scum intended to build---with borrowed money---the Huston Spastrodome, which was then financed at Public Expense....and then the Shrub sold his portion for $150,000,000 a few years later..
Great reading..
Socialism for the Millionaires.
America.
Fawk yeah!