Do You Know the Real Islam?

I was going to be nice to him too until I saw his avatar and was overcome with jealosy :laugh: :erm: :uhoh: :arrows:

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. I am a baptist if anyone was curious. What I will discuss will be in love and that my desire and as with most Christians is that the truth comes out about false religions and beliefs. Also what I will say will not be politically correct, at times sound insensitive, and not what you typically hear but should. But again, my point is Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people. He doesnt want you to be a slave to him. With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

The first thing I will discuss is the Koran, which is the Islam's equivalent to Christianity's Bible.

First off, the Koran is full of errors and not in any type of chronological order. It is very hard to read and understand, even for Muslims. Many verses in the Koran, including many of the peace and gentle verses have been abrogated or nullified if you will. In other words, they throw out a verse if they no longer want it or if it conflicts with another verse. Now how can anyone with any form of intelligence follow and trust a book like that ?

The Bible itself does not change, in fact in Revelation 22:19 -And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation.

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So why not work towards it? Instead of taking the lazy mode. :) Why shall I need a 'Saviour"? And how am I a slave to God in other religions?

I am personally not a religious person, but have to say that my biggest respect goes to several Asian religions - Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. To form that opinion, I only need to look at real life evidence, how it has influenced the lives of human beings practically. When I see people smiling sincerely all the time, enjoying life with deep feelings and emotions, being tolerant and respectful to others... Then I know that religion has had a positive effect on the culture and is working really well in the society. Perhaps something similar can be said about Islam. I have personally not been to an Arabic country, but read/heard from people, who have been, that guests are treated with huge respect and helpfulness, like kings.

The catholic church survived through the ages using terror, fun things such as setting people on fire while tied to a stake and so forth. Only because they deviated slightly on views about the faith.

Then along came the printing press, and people started reading the new testament--odd stuff about turn the other cheek, love your enemies........nothing in there about burning people for a slightly different view on God :eek:

But the difference is that unlike Jeus, the pedo prophet was busy "marrying" young girls who were 9 or ten years old, chopping off heads of infidels (men, women and children) or other people he just did not like----all of which is held up as an example of holy acts to be followed by true beleivers, as laid out in the Koran. :rolleyes:

Oh, but there you will want to go....gee there are those pastors, yada, ....so what? two wrongs do not make a right. :(

True Islam is a dangerous religion to the dignity of women and does NOT seperate religion from the political system, very dangerous to the very freedoms that brits, americans, canadians, et all, hold so precious.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I was going to be nice to him too until I saw his avatar and was overcome with jealosy :erm: :uhoh: :arrows:

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Let me ease your pain... :D ....she is not your type. Cause she is older than 11 years of age..........


opps, I almost forgot, maybe it is because you are jealous of her, instead of him, for stealing him away. In that case, I can't help you dude, except to suggest erotic asphyxiation as an alternate :bounce:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Some of the recent comments on this page are quite disturbing IMO. Radical Muslims or fundamentalist Christians? Perhaps we could have a poll on which is scarier? :eek:

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Is there any actual difference? That is, setting aside the names of the various parties involved- and the problem that most of the fundamentalist christians are hypocrites....something which can not be said for radical Muslims who are simply practicing what is preached in the Koran.

Anyway, I would have to vote for DonKey jote and his momma...they are both scarier....

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Originally Posted by henners88

I have no idea, but then again not every Islamic terror group bases their hatred on a twisted interpretation of the Koran, do they? It runs alot deeper than that. The fact largely Christian countries have financial interests and forced attempts at trying to gain power of such countries doesn't bode too well when one needs an excuse to hate another country or religion. The less educated amongst us might pin all their ideas of why there is conflict on a "kill ze infidel" interpretation within a holy book, but thats a very simplistic explanation in the grand scheme of things. Sure terror groups preach such garbage but that is but a tiny part of the real problem. If I were to look at your question a bit more deeply, I could argue the bible has been used in the same way because it is what has sculpted a person into believing what they do. Whether there are passages within it that tell them to kill others is irrelevant because if relgion is used in any form, it is based on what that person believes.

The war in Bosnia was fought based on religion because both sides wanted dominance in that region. Both wanted the population to believe what their religion had taught them and killed each other to make that point.

Asking people to fly to a country and incite religious hatred is not only stupid but is hardly a realistic dare is it? You appear to know the least about Islam on this forum and also appear to have some very hatefull views on the subject so why do you not lead by example and give us a summary of what happened to you when you get back?

I have defended the right to believe in all religions as long as its peaceful yet you are only picking up on part of it. The fact you are choosing to ignore the actions of Christian Terror groups in the 20th and 21st century speaks volumes for your arguement and your understanding IMO.

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1) it ain't a twisted interpretation of the Koran.

2) Of course, you miss the point. It is not necesssary to go there. Just look at what happenned to the cartoonist or what has been going on in France. You are the one running off at the mouth who is clueless about the koran and the religion-and refuses to recognize what would happen if you said the same things in a Islamic country. And that is the point: You can say those things BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY!! You are not inciting religous haterd, but simply stating beleifs that are not much different than mine in many respects, something you can do where you live, but NOT IN ISLAM. For that very reason, that is sufficient grounds to condemn Islam. Of course, I could add about how women are treated and all the rest......

I have known a number of moslems, from my college days and on. All of them were not the terrorist type and i think they would be embarrased about the radicals. Unfortunately, in the view of their religion with the preachings of the pedo-prophet on women, et al,--they are hypocrites as expressly defined by their own Koran.

3) I do not regard the "christian terror groups" as Christian, but hypocrites of the worst sort. Unfrotunately, the same can not be said about radical moslems

Sort like there were those "good Germans" who were nazis but because they were not actively killing jews and so forth, would qualify as hypocrites........

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

The first thing I will discuss is the Koran, which is the Islam's equivalent to Christianity's Bible.

First off, the Koran is full of errors and not in any type of chronological order. It is very hard to read and understand, even for Muslims. Many verses in the Koran, including many of the peace and gentle verses have been abrogated or nullified if you will. In other words, they throw out a verse if they no longer want it or if it conflicts with another verse. Now how can anyone with any form of intelligence follow and trust a book like that ?

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I thought some of this seemed a bit eloquent, so did a quick search for your words and found your opinions, and some of the phraseology, to have been lifted in large part from this website:

TheReligionofPeace - Games Muslims Play

For instance: 'But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first.' I somehow doubt that words such as 'abrogate' feature that heavily in your everyday language. And you have the gall to accuse all Muslims of lacking intelligence for following the Koran!

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. . . . . Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

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This attitude always bothers me. I am an infidel then. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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This I can agree on. I accept Jesus as a very evolved human being that "walked what he talked" and was a great example of what a loving, caring, understanding human being can be. It's a pity that the religion formed around his philosophy messed it up really.

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