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Originally Posted by donKey jote
The UK has never been in Europe as they oppose everything, always have and always will. Having said that, the new proposed EU agreement is against the Finnish constitution so we won't take part in it either.
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Originally Posted by donKey jote
The UK has never been in Europe as they oppose everything, always have and always will. Having said that, the new proposed EU agreement is against the Finnish constitution so we won't take part in it either.
when there's a will, there's a way... constitutions have always been ammended when they were found to be lacking or outdated.
From what I've seen, the proposed agreement is so watered down I can't see how it can be against any constitution anyway.
Well overdue for a new start methinks...
The key is they are proposing majority decisions, 85%, so no single country except France, Germany and Italy could veto a payment or something like that. That would mean that the EU could force us to pay money to help these Southern European countries and according to law makers here, it's against the constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
They are proposing that each country abides by certain debt limits or face automatic sanctions, and want that written into the constitutions.
Majority decisions at 85% are about as democratic as you can get. Giving every single "little" country the power to veto or opt out or sabotage majority decisions or define their own version of things is precisely what turns the whole thing into a joke.
Time to reboot. France and Germany are in the fast train, who else is on board ?
I understand your reasoning but the bottom line is Greece and other Southern countries broke the rules of the monetary union and we didn't, our economy is fine and triple A-rated. You'd feel a bit angry and touchy about losing your veto when it comes to spending your money to help those who didn't care about the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Anyway whatever happens, countries must stick to the rules of the monetary union even if they have a warm climate and a tradition of doing things half-well.
Greece broke the rules from day one, aided by all sorts of tricky deals from tricky banks, and they joined on false numbers to start with. But this has nothing to do with warm climates or whatever traditions they may have in your eyes. I guess Ireland is southern too?
I am as angry about bailing the greek goverment out as I am at my taxes going to lazy yobs in Germany.
Fact is, it should have been dealt with earlier, and the present fiscal union proposal would have helped stem the problem earlier.
I will concede that Finland -as a Euro country- deserves more of a say in these things than the Trojan UK horse, but I do believe no single country should have the power to hold all others at ransom.
Greece broke every rule in the book, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Portugal and Spain though stuck to the rules of the monetary union quite closely, more than France and Germany did so stereotyping those who live in warm climes does nothing to help understand or alleviate the situation.
BTW I hope Bulgaria and Romania have their entry into the Eurozone delayed or cancelled, they make Greece look like Switzerland. Will the entry criteria be changed?
Hey I now think the EU will be fine. They will go back to being their own countries with their own currencies. Then they will deport all the Muslims over here. We will have years and years of social unrest. The Muslims will blow the sh!t out of the Catholics and they will return to "Latin Europe". Then as soon as the Muslims take over here, they will cut all aid to Israel and therefore Israel will disappear from the Earth. I will be in Argentina screwing myself to death and will die with a big smile on my face. Now if only F1 would return to Argentina. I would go to Colombia but I am short on ransom money.
Tis the season for fousto to be jolly. :)
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Politically inconvenient for whoever is in power at the time, in other words :pQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote