People Power

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Originally Posted by Lousada

The private sector cannot be made to operate non-viable lines, even if these are socially desirable. That is why full privatisation of the railways is impossible.

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:up: The same applies in other areas as well, noteably healthcare.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Over-emotional? Give me a break. You somehow think that murder equals choice. And you call me over-emotional.

And then to state that since I find murder to be repellant, that that somehow means that my views on the free-market are invalid, is just silly. Especially in light of the fact that you are arguing for people to be FORCED into paying for your transportation.

I want to give poeple free-market choices, as long as those choices don't infrige upon one's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness (or my prefered term, property). You want to FORCE people into paying for things they may not use. And I am the one against choice? Boy oh boy the Ministry of Truth would be proud of that logic.

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That you do not physically use public transport, doesn't mean you do not benefit from it. Smaller trafficjams and less pollution for example.

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Originally Posted by Lousada

That you do not physically use public transport, doesn't mean you do not benefit from it. Smaller trafficjams and less pollution for example.

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That very well could be. But why does that mean that I should be forced to pay for it? Shouldn't that be my choice?

Might I suggest that the whole abortion debate goes into another thread if it is to be continued.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Might I suggest that the whole abortion debate goes into another thread if it is to be continued.

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I would be fine with that, as I don't believe that abortion has a thing to do with the free-market. But Ben apparently thinks that if you are ant-abortion that somehow you are anti-free-market. Go figure that one? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Eki

Speaking of U.S. politics: I have understood that you're from Minnesota. That reminded me that the communist leader Gus Hall was also from Minnesota:

Gus Hall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is the US Communist Party still alive?

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Yeah we call them Democrats.

It is still around but that is all, although nne member of Congress is/was an avowed Communist.

As an odd aside, I just read yesterday in the local paper, one reason parts of Minn. became Democrats for life, was because Roosevelt killed prohibition.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Over-emotional? Give me a break. You somehow think that murder equals choice. And you call me over-emotional.

And then to state that since I find murder to be repellant,

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God and God alone decides if a soul enters a body. Till that point it is chunk of tissue; whereas if it is murder then God murders children with every spontaneous abortion.

I do agree the decision should be made by the end of the first trimester after which it should be illegal with exceptions for special circumstances.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I would be fine with that, as I don't believe that abortion has a thing to do with the free-market. But Ben apparently thinks that if you are ant-abortion that somehow you are anti-free-market. Go figure that one? :rolleyes:

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Not my position at all. I continue to think that pointing out how those who espouse the merits of choice in one area of life do not do so in others are being inconsistent, proving that there are limits to their expression of freedom of choice.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That very well could be. But why does that mean that I should be forced to pay for it? Shouldn't that be my choice?

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I might not take advantage of the street lighting on a particular road. Should I receive a small rebate on my tax bill? One could compartmentalise it endlessly. I simply don't care whether I might be paying a tiny amount for something I will never use.

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Originally Posted by Lousada

But it is possible for other railway operators to drive on Deutsche Bahn infrastructure, which is the point.

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Was it not always possible for this to happen, for example with privately-operated heritage trains doing so along British Rail lines? As far as I am aware, it was not illegal, let's put it that way.