Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open letter)

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Originally Posted by Karukera

Dunno, i'm not into cliché.

On a factual side, it certainly is a PSA thing to kick a Fordie's arse on a regular basis.

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I'm sorry I wasn't totally clear in response the above :D

BTW as huge PSA fan, do you know which other 8000 of the above they are going to kick out :laugh: (if not done already)

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Originally Posted by Karukera

I neither see Loeb having an exagerated inflated head when he should after 8 titles in a row.

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I didn't saw him either, I wasn't referring to him (in fact he and I have something in common - we like jokes). That is another puzzle for you to solve :D

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Oh My Dear God. You didn't understood the irony there didn't you? Anyway I used Le Mans for an example of how good Germans are to punish some French arrogance and put some people into place. Anyway N2 I really don't care if Loeb gets 8-9-10 titles, he got them - good for him, surely the current situation is not good for the sport - that is my point.

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Originally Posted by Karukera

There you come out of the woods. You basically pile up to the nationality bashing crowd.

Silly and complete waste of time.

For the record, PSA have been winning (at least) a title since 2000, it's mostly a one nation effort (decently funded) against an Anglo-US coalition.
But they barely advertise their wins when they should in what is also an industrial confrontation.
I neither see Loeb having an exagerated inflated head when he should after 8 titles in a row.
With the contribution of Hirvonen, Citroën are way ahead in both championships and on a streak of 5 wins including four 1-2 but they're still playing it low profile.

So i don't see your point but hey, nationality bashing has spoken.

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I dont see any nationality bashing in this post?

For the rest of your post, I saw in a top gear magazine the other day advertising how Citroen won the manufacturers title last year, and how they won 9 events out of 13 and how they did it. To Mr joe average it looks very impressive until I tell Joe average that Citroen only have one other team to beat, and an off pace team at that!

personally i think every driver is fantastic in the wrc .

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Originally Posted by christy but

personally i think every driver is fantastic in the wrc .

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Most of us couldn't do a reflection they do (up)

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Originally Posted by tfp

For the rest of your post, I saw in a top gear magazine the other day advertising how Citroen won the manufacturers title last year, and how they won 9 events out of 13 and how they did it. To Mr joe average it looks very impressive until I tell Joe average that Citroen only have one other team to beat, and an off pace team at that!

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I thought they beat around a hundred drivers every rally.

I think that when Loeb retires is ready Neville!!!. Maybe Hirvonen Neville!

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Oh My Dear God. You didn't understood the irony there didn't you? Anyway I used Le Mans for an example of how good Germans are to punish some French arrogance and put some people into place.

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Pfff, get a grip. The german brands have most often entered Le Mans a the sole competitor or with poor competition. The only thing that matters is how a car brand does in the two proper World Championships - Formula 1 and WRC. And here the French brands are kicking every other nationality car brands. I don't have to remind you of how many titles Renault have as both a constructor and an engine supplier in F1, do I? ... and I am sure you can count the WRC wins and titles that PSA has won with either Peugeot or Citroën - + the first one in 1973 by Alpine Renault.

French car brands always wins becaue their motorsport engennering is superiour to anyting else... that's for sure more than can be said of the German car brands ... or do you want me to list the succes (*cough* *cough* or lack of it) from Mercedes in F1?

So what you call French arrogance is just your lack of words why German brands suck at motorsport competition and winning titles that matters.

Deal with it!

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Pfff, get a grip. The german brands have most often entered Le Mans a the sole competitor or with poor competition. The only thing that matters is how a car brand does in the two proper World Championships - Formula 1 and WRC. And here the French brands are kicking every other nationality car brands. I don't have to remind you of how many titles Renault have as both a constructor and an engine supplier in F1, do I? ... and I am sure you can count the WRC wins and titles that PSA has won with either Peugeot or Citroën - + the first one in 1973 by Alpine Renault.

French car brands always wins becaue their motorsport engennering is superiour to anyting else... that's for sure more than can be said of the German car brands ... or do you want me to list the succes (*cough* *cough* or lack of it) from Mercedes in F1?

So what you call French arrogance is just your lack of words why German brands suck at motorsport competition and winning titles that matters.

Deal with it!

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:D I'm dealing with it just fine, don't worry. Oooo I know the French are good in what are they doing, also know how good the Germans are to make road cars ;) , but that is another story.

But as you raised the F1 as subject, this is the score table for engine manufacturers - List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and here for constrictors - List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see Frenchman as big record breakers, they are even behind Ford here - LOL