Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by ioan

I for one would have driven directly in the pits and broken Stefano's gob live on TV.

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I, in Massa's shoes, would have blocked unibrow until kingdom come, and taken the win gleefully. Then show Ferrari the finger and signed for another team.

But alas, people give Ferrari way too much respect than they deserve, and so end up making compromises. Hopefully karma bites them in their a$$. I for one am glad in a way that I've found the perfect villains to hate in F1 from now on.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You are not supposed to answer a rhetorical question, because the answer is already given by the one who asks the question.
It's that simple.

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Thank You Ioan. It's my mistake. I have known I shouldn't argue with You.

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Originally Posted by ojciec dyrektor

Thank You Ioan. It's my mistake. I have known I shouldn't argue with You.

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There is nothing to argue about, as a Kubica fan you would have been outraged if this happened, claiming the opposite is either false or you are not a real fan of your favorite driver.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

So, the "possibility" that Vettel would have caught up to Alonso is a fact? :-/

Also, I wonder how Alonso was being held up by Massa when the gap was around a second or 8 tenths for a good 4 laps before the "clean overtake" by Alonso. :rolleyes:

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sheesh, so I should have said possibly :rolleyes:
Alonso was "possibly" being held up by Massa when Massa was "possibly" having problems wih his tyres, which was "possibly" the reason Massa was all over the place (locking wheels, jittery on exit,..) for a while.
Alonso was "possibly" faster when he got the gap back down from 3 to <1 second in a few laps, but then again, "possibly" Massa was just playing games and controlling his pace.
Vettel was within 1-2 secs of Alonso until Alonso was gifted the pass on Massa, so it would be fair to say -without hindsight ;) -, that he was "possibly" in danger of being put in trouble.

Happy now? :)

thought not :dozey:

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Originally Posted by henners88

So true. Unfortunately Alonso's credibility and reputation suffer as a result and its taken 3 years for the guy to even be considered a worthy talent. He's a double WDC but he's cried foul whenever he's been beaten by a teammate (i.e Fisichella, Hamilton), blackmailed his employer, taken part in the worst race fixing scandal in the history of the sport, and now lied that his move today was a drivers decision and not a team order. Not a glowing CV for someone who 9 of the current grid voted as the greatest driver ever when asked on Thursday. :mark:

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Look at the recent champions. Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Raikkonen, Alonso, Hamilton. They all had dirty moves in their careers. All had races with team orders. So, why is Alonso or Ferrari worse then them?

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Originally Posted by ioan

There is nothing to argue about, as a Kubica fan you would have been outraged if this happened, claiming the opposite is either false or you are not a real fan of your favorite driver.

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Sorry Ioan, but I'm not You. So simply grow up and stop judge me.

I´m not so sure Rob Smedley will work for ferrari much longer.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

I´m not so sure Rob Smedley will work for ferrari much longer.

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Massa & Smedley at Renault in 2011?

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

sheesh, so I should have said possibly
Alonso was "possibly" being held up by Massa when Massa was "possibly" having problems wih his tyres, which was "possibly" the reason Massa was all over the place (locking wheels, jittery on exit,..) for a while.

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:laugh: That wasn't even in the same part of the race. Those were during Alonso's first attempts at overtaking, after which he cried like a b*tch. Then, Massa opened up a 3 second lead, hopefully you saw that.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Alonso was "possibly" faster when he got the gap back down from 3 to <1 second in a few laps, but then again, "possibly" Massa was just playing games and controlling his pace.
Vettel was within 1-2 secs of Alonso until Alonso was gifted the pass on Massa, so it would be fair to say -without hindsight, that he was "possibly" in danger of being put in trouble.

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Hmm, I wonder why this impending "danger" of Vettel never really bothered Massa after he was "overtaken" by Alonso. :confused: I mean since Massa was slower than Alonso and holding him up, Vettel should have made quick work of Massa, don't you think? But he didn't even come close. :(

So, is it that you're buying the crap Ferrari is selling, or is it the Alonso poster on your wall, OR is this a case of beer goggles? :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

You mean you still had respect for him after Singapore 2008?! Please say I misunderstood you.

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Whatever controversaties have followed Alonso round like a bad smell, I've always had the utmost respect for his driving. Now I'm afraid the evidence is overwhelming that he cannot handle having a fast team mate, and that he'll cry like a baby unless he gets his own way. If he was truly quicker today he should have overtaken Massa fair and square.