It's been a while since I've seen badly broken written English in F1 press releases. :p :
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It's been a while since I've seen badly broken written English in F1 press releases. :p :
from what i've read, all existing teams would have to approve an additional entry, so they very much would have the power of Veto over Stefans entry. i'd imagine a few others would think twice about letting them in too - Williams haven't approved anyone doing anything for quite a whileQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
i also fail to see why Stefan think they should be given precedence over the other "failed" potential entrants such as N Technology, Prodrive, Lola etc
as posted by James Allen here http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...red-president/Quote:
This would leave an open 13th entry, but he reminded us that for Stefan GP to get it, all the teams need to agree. I know for a fact, speaking to Ferrari this week, that they will not agree to that, as long as disgraced former McLaren designer Mike Coughlan is working for the team.
whilst taking the word of James Allen, the original source being Mad Max may seem a bit mental, i think there is some truth in the statement
Because they have a car, drivers and equipment ready to go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
I'm hoping the FIA release a statement tomorrow confirming the cancellation of USF1's entry and let Stefan in.
It would be a double failure on the part of the FIA if they don't.
Stefan need to be given a reality check. They have one car ready, another lacking components, no testing milage (zero, not even a shakedown), no spares for the season, no race team, and dubious finances.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
If the FIA let them race in Bahrain it would be a farce.
so if i had a football team and nothing to do with it i should be allowed into the Premier league to replace Portsmouth should i? regardless of the actual selection/entry/promotion process?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
all Stefan have done is try to bully their way in after they failed in both the entry process and the legal challenge.
any of the other teams could buy the Toyota chassis if given an entry - Stefan have nothing any of the others have. Lola were still working on their own car, probably more advanced than USF1 even.
If Stefan don't get in they'll have nothing, including the car. anyone could buy up a failed teams' car and say they should have an entry.
whilst i don't agree with the initial slecetion of the new teams, i disagree more with the tatics of Stefan and fail to see why they should have precedence over any other potential entrant should a vacancy come up on the grid - "just cos they are there" is not enough
What would be the best "reality check" they could have , Dave ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
What if the FIA was to allow them into the first race ?
If they failed to make it , could they not just say "See , we told you our vetting process said they wouldn't ." ?
Buxton seems to be quite against them , saying there are no containers of spares in Bahrain . But , why would they be at the track ? They have no entry yet .
It has been noted that there is only one car ready , but there have been no reports of how far along the second one actually is .
And , if the entry was granted , and Toyota saw any way to save some face , with a toy car doing well , despite them having left officially , do you not think that they might help , given that they are already said to be supplying engine guys for the team ?
As to "dubious finances" , don't you think Toyota might have done some background checking , to find out who would be running the outfit ?
I think we'll find that there are more than a few issues that will be solved for StefanGP when they get the entry .
One last thing , Dave .
There has been one guy who has been holding off signing on to this project , who now is having a seat fitting .
One might be lead to believe that he has been lead to believe that there will likely be a car to put it in .
Now , how would they make him believe this , I wonder .
Could it be that they showed him a car that's almost ready ?
So many questions! Let's take them one at a time:
Remind them that they've already failed the selection process once, and unsuccessfully appealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Best case scenario: they'd show up with one working car with zero testing; and either a driver who never once out-qualified his team mate at Williams in two years, or one who limped out of F1 with his tail between his legs after an embarrassing stint at Renault and a mediocre one at Sauber. I'd be surprised if they made the start of the race, let alone the finish.Quote:
What if the FIA was to allow them into the first race ?
Because that would be massively unfair on the other teams who also failed the same process.Quote:
If they failed to make it , could they not just say "See , we told you our vetting process said they wouldn't ." ?
Well there are indications (the shipping note from DHL) that they have one container. But who knows what's in it? And as Adam Cooper points out, the first four races are flyaways - they've no equipment in Australia when there's a race just two weeks later, and no visible means of getting it there.Quote:
Buxton seems to be quite against them , saying there are no containers of spares in Bahrain . But , why would they be at the track ? They have no entry yet .
Toyota can't just press a magic button marked "finish building another car", even if Stefan suddenly get some sponsorship and therefore some actual money (as opposed to mythical stuff with unicorns on the back of the notes).Quote:
It has been noted that there is only one car ready , but there have been no reports of how far along the second one actually is .
And , if the entry was granted , and Toyota saw any way to save some face , with a toy car doing well , despite them having left officially , do you not think that they might help , given that they are already said to be supplying engine guys for the team ?
All Toyota sold was the rights to the 2010 design and whatever had already been manufactured. So long as the applicant could afford them, it wasn't really Toyota's problem what happenned afterwards.Quote:
As to "dubious finances" , don't you think Toyota might have done some background checking , to find out who would be running the outfit ?
Could it be that he's been gagging for a way back into F1 for a few years and would clutch at pretty much any straw? None of the established teams wanted him, none of the thus-far successful new entrants gave him any consideration, and not even USF1 had him seriously in the frame.Quote:
One last thing , Dave .
There has been one guy who has been holding off signing on to this project , who now is having a seat fitting .
One might be lead to believe that he has been lead to believe that there will likely be a car to put it in .
Now , how would they make him believe this , I wonder .
Could it be that they showed him a car that's almost ready ?
I'd imagine he's been fed a load of BS that his name will attract investment and that somewhere down the line he might receive a pay cheque, but it's too little too late.
Seriously now. In two weeks' time the first race will have finished. Two weeks. Any who isn't currently out in Spain testing, who tells you they'll be racing in Bahrain, is a fantasist.
Campos also have not tested and are using a customer car but they will be in Bahrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Besides, Stefan wanted to test last week but weren't allowed the tyres to do so.
I just thing it would be a great shame to not see a full grid this year after so many teams applied for that slot. The American team and the FIA have done F1 fans a great disservice unfortunately :(
I would equally (or perahps more) love to see Lola or Prodrive on the grid, but at this late stage Stefan are probably the only ones who might stand a chance to get things together for Bahrain. They have a car which should be ahead of the other new ones, 2 drivers with F1 experience and their equipment is already in Bahrain (alledgedly)
Would it be wise to go into the season with just 24 cars and re-open the bidding process for the 13th team?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Then again Bernie wants StefanGP there and we know what he's like when it comes to trying to change his opinion.
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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
OK , so they failed the selection process , which was the process that lead to teams that can't make the grid , despite having the requisite Cosworth engine .
And "massively unfair" was the process itself .
Give Prodrive and anyone else the same chance to get the spot , by producing a car on the grid if you want .
They can't , and won't , because Stefan was the only one to decide to fight the battle , both in court , and in the public forum , buying the Toyota package .
Now , buying that package seems to show that there is indeed money , doesn't it ?
If it was cheap , it's seems someone who might not have been quite so far along with the chassis design and build , who already had an entry might have bought it .
So , perhaps it wasn't so cheap .
What I suspect here , Dave , is that some of the talk about Stefanovic not having the cake to make this roll , is coming from the possibility that the contracts that StefanGP are signing are contingent , to some degree , upon getting the entry .
I don't think Jacques has signed , but will if the entry is granted .
It will be fun to imagine the sour look on your face if he returns to the grid .
Sorry for that , Dave , but it's true .
And , I can't imagine the look at all if the car was fast out of the box .