Universal Health Care Reform in the United States

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

BBB you are right but I suppose I just view the stuff it publishes as nothing more than a red top with an axe to grind.

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Yes, it is for those who share many of the views of red-top readers but believe that they are somehow a cut above the hoi polloi.

So no one wants to talk about how we can actually afford this? Rollo? At least you are trying. Anyone?

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The british are unthinking morons? Aren't you from a country that gave us Hitler and you call others unthinking morons?

Que Cojones!

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I am British.

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Originally Posted by fousto

Well the sad think is that you morons are still multiplying. What are you going to do with your kids - give them to the Islams for canon fodder?? Get real what have you young s done for the world. over populate deplete all the resources, cause global warming, arm rogue nations with nuclear arms.
you people are disgusting and we brought you in to a pretty damn good world.
Look at you 1/3 of you are gay and incompetent and are cowards 1/3 of you are corrupt and have no integrity, and stretching it 1/3 of you may be a acceptable citizen!!

Get a frreaking mirror and have a look

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Again, you demonstrate why your opinions can never be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So no one wants to talk about how we can actually afford this? Rollo? At least you are trying. Anyone?

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Let's face it, the quality of the national debate in the USA in general has been appalling, largely thanks to such wonderful insights such as those about Stephen Hawking that ought to have been the subject of some sort of law suit.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Let's face it, the quality of the national debate in the USA in general has been appalling, largely thanks to such wonderful insights such as those about Stephen Hawking that ought to have been the subject of some sort of law suit.

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So since it's been "appalling", let's just give up? Without SOMEONE trying to have a real, honest debate about this we'll end up with something NO ONE likes. Why give up? If you are right, prove it. If I or they, or whoever is wrong, prove it. If debate is given up on, we're all lost.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So since it's been "appalling", let's just give up? Without SOMEONE trying to have a real, honest debate about this we'll end up with something NO ONE likes. Why give up? If you are right, prove it. If I or they, or whoever is wrong, prove it. If debate is given up on, we're all lost.

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I am always suspicious when what is called for by politicians and others is a 'debate'. How is this meant to be conducted in a sensible manner, without the loudest, most extreme voices (like Sarah Palin in this 'debate') being those that gain the most attention? How is any conclusion supposed to be reached that will appeal to anything like everybody? Can everybody be expected to understand the issues being put to them anything like well enough to reach an informed judgement? I'm afraid I tend to think that such calls for debates are, by and large, meaningless, and an excuse to avoid taking an actual decision.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So no one wants to talk about how we can actually afford this? Rollo? At least you are trying. Anyone?

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The obvious thing would be to not necessarily raise taxes, but to impose a levy on the existing medical insurance companies. As far as I can make out, they're on the take in a major and bloody obvious way. If there was some system of regulation of what the maximum allowable charges were for procedures and medical items, then the access to the system would be more equitable in the first place.
People going into bankruptcy because they've had some medical procedure is quite frankly proves that people can not afford the existing system. Any overhaul has to be better in principle than what currently exists.

In Australia, there is a 1.5% tax imposed on income for the maintenance of the medical system, as well as a rebate for having private medical insurance. The system works as well as any other in the world I suppose.
But it took 11 years after the passing of the Health Insurance Act 1973, for Medicare as we know it in Australia to jump through all of the legal hoops.

The big problem with the American health care system is that so much power is vested with unelected people, making extravagant sums of money from it - and you're all paying for it.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The british are unthinking morons? Aren't you from a country that gave us Hitler and you call others unthinking morons?

Que Cojones!

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What is it with you and mentioning Hitler?

I think he (foustina) actually has a deep seated, repressed admiration (dare I say 'love') for Adolf, presuming that is of course, that foustino is a real person ........

given that you can't have a normal discussion with him without the 'H' word being mentioned. :)


Come on foustus post a photo of yourself so that we know you are real..... :)