the Official Long Beach Race (weekend) thread

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

the fact is, EJ was making no attempt to pass, he was following the racing line, while Will shut the door on Scott, scott needed to come up to make the turn, how anyone sees EJ is at fault is insane,

dont get me wrong underpowered, I was rooting for Scott to win the championship cause I'm not that big of fan of Helio, but it was a bonehead move by not looking in his mirrors, all the drivers have done it

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If he was making no attempt to pass, why didnt he just stay behind the car in front instead of causing an accident?

I didnt say EJ was at fault, I said it was a 50/50 pass that didnt come off. EJ would have impressed me if he had be more classy in his interview and said "I saw an opportunity to grab a spot off Scott, it didnt work out, I guess he didnt expect me to be there"

Instead he accused Scott of deliberatly moving over on him. Scott is a good clean driver that has always given other drivers the benefit of the doubt.

I then get on the forums to hear people regurgitating EJ's comment here and blaming Scott. One comment even went on to say Scott caused accidents on 6 cars.

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Originally Posted by underpowered

If he was making no attempt to pass, why didnt he just stay behind the car in front instead of causing an accident?

I didnt say EJ was at fault, I said it was a 50/50 pass that didnt come off. EJ would have impressed me if he had be more classy in his interview and said "I saw an opportunity to grab a spot off Scott, it didnt work out, I guess he didnt expect me to be there"

Instead he accused Scott of deliberatly moving over on him. Scott is a good clean driver that has always given other drivers the benefit of the doubt.

I then get on the forums to hear people regurgitating EJ's comment here and blaming Scott. One comment even went on to say Scott caused accidents on 6 cars.

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You're making a complete joke of yourself. Just let it go. You are the ONLY person on this and many other forums that has this skewed version of the events between Scott and EJ. There is 1 point and 1 point only to be considered here. You are allowed 1 line through a corner, Scott changed his line. Regardless of where EJ was, were he was going, good choice, bad choice, none of it matters. The only driver in that corner that broke the rules established in every single drivers meeting was Scott. World class as he is, he is allowed to make mistakes and in the case he did according to every single other person that has commented on it but you.

EJ said nothing wrong in his interview either. He stated the facts, he said they were told in the drivers meeting not to change their line and that he was disappointed that a great champion like Scott did in fact do that. That is hardly trash talking and it is hardly out of line. I'm sure if Scott wouldn't have been the victim of Briscoe's bonehead move it would've been a bigger deal and even Scott himself would most likely admit he didn't see EJ and shouldn't have changed his line. Bottom line, it is racing and regardless of who is to blame they were both RACING. No way can EJ be to blame in this case. Dixon clearly moved from one side of the track to the other while EJ was on the normal racing line. Period...so move on. You're making yourself look like that guy that like you know who.

And to be clear, PT talks trash and has backed it up for 16 years. He rarely casts blame on people unless clear and rarely doesn't accept responsibility of for his bonehead moves...and there are many. Those moves are boneheaded when they don't work and have made him famous when they do. Hardly any comparison here to EJ and Scott's incident. Although, I will say EJ does remind a bit of PT without the greatest of equipment to boot.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter

How can Scott Dixon go from a near flawless run last year to causing three accidents in two races this year???

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I was at the race so I didn't have the greatest coverage. WHen did Dixon cause accidents at LB? I still don't know how Briscoe hit him in the end on a yellow. Wow, did he hit the gas in stead of the brake or what? Was there post-race interviews?


I also felt bad for Graham. He was running really well and then his pit stop killed him. I'm not sure if he left the pits too early or they gave him the thumbs up and they actually weren't done.


I was surprised about the lack of passing too. I know it is a streets course but was there really like no room for passing?


Anyone else think Stanton was too far off pace and shouldn't have been out there?


I do like Danica but how did she pull that off? I guess she pitted in the beginning when she was at the back so then she was on a diff pit strategy that helped her in the end?

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Originally Posted by TURN3

You're making a complete joke of yourself. Just let it go. You are the ONLY person on this and many other forums that has this skewed version of the events between Scott and EJ. There is 1 point and 1 point only to be considered here. You are allowed 1 line through a corner, Scott changed his line. Regardless of where EJ was, were he was going, good choice, bad choice, none of it matters. The only driver in that corner that broke the rules established in every single drivers meeting was Scott. World class as he is, he is allowed to make mistakes and in the case he did according to every single other person that has commented on it but you.

EJ said nothing wrong in his interview either. He stated the facts, he said they were told in the drivers meeting not to change their line and that he was disappointed that a great champion like Scott did in fact do that. That is hardly trash talking and it is hardly out of line. I'm sure if Scott wouldn't have been the victim of Briscoe's bonehead move it would've been a bigger deal and even Scott himself would most likely admit he didn't see EJ and shouldn't have changed his line. Bottom line, it is racing and regardless of who is to blame they were both RACING. No way can EJ be to blame in this case. Dixon clearly moved from one side of the track to the other while EJ was on the normal racing line. Period...so move on. You're making yourself look like that guy that like you know who.

And to be clear, PT talks trash and has backed it up for 16 years. He rarely casts blame on people unless clear and rarely doesn't accept responsibility of for his bonehead moves...and there are many. Those moves are boneheaded when they don't work and have made him famous when they do. Hardly any comparison here to EJ and Scott's incident. Although, I will say EJ does remind a bit of PT without the greatest of equipment to boot.

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Wow! did I touch a nerve somewhere.

There is an easy way to move on here...Just admit that EJ tried a pass that didn't work out and incorrectly put the entire blame on the other driver instead of accepting some responsiblity...easy. Its what champions do.

Just because your an EJ fan doesnt mean he is a perfect saint.

And Comparing me to DanicaFan is unfair man :-)

I think from the video it is obvious that Dixon ran into EJ. EJ had no where to go, Dixon just plowed him into the wall.

Any footage of Dixon running into graham? It didn't damage either of them but led to that 4 or 5 car pile up right?

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Originally Posted by underpowered

Wow! did I touch a nerve somewhere.

There is an easy way to move on here...Just admit that EJ tried a pass that didn't work out and incorrectly put the entire blame on the other driver instead of accepting some responsiblity...easy. Its what champions do.

Just because your an EJ fan doesnt mean he is a perfect saint.

And Comparing me to DanicaFan is unfair man :-)

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No nerves were touched and I'm not an EJ fan. I just see you going back and forth and back and forth about an issue that is purely obvious to everybody but you. Obviously you're a fan of Dixon and that's great, he's an awesome driver. But you are looking over the only fact that matters here. HE VIOLATED RULES BY CHANGING LINES GOING INTO THE TURN. Anything else is irrelevant because he did that. I don't care if EJ is going into the runoff in reverse, Scott changed his line and squeezed EJ into the wall. Why is that such a hard concept for you to understand? How many on this forum alone have stated their view and you still can't just say...yeah he changed his line and therefore has to take responsibility? That is the D$%@ RULE! Period Period Period Period Period Period. <-----(Period)

Now get over your illusion and get into your buddy's (ok, I'm being funny about this part) Kansas thread. Both will do better there on the aero no skill necessary track.

I'm really struggling to see how Viso was attempting anything other than taking the normal line through the corner? He doesn't jink about on the approach as though he's shaping up for a move, he just sits on the same line everyone bar Dixon is taking. Quite how that can be perceived as diving up the outside is beyond me in all honesty. There's no lunge or sudden change of line, so I think he is justified in blaming Dixon. Even if he'd anticipated Dixon moving back over, where could he have gone? There was no room on his right, as he was over against the wall on the normal line, and moving left would have taken his nose off against the rear of Dixon and probably punted Dixon off in the process. That would leave backing off, at which point he bunches the field and gets hit from behind, doubtless to be accused of causing an accident....