Mobile phones & tablets thread

hmm... looks like I'll be waiting for quotes on the iPad 4 :p

I'll be interested to see how the iPad Mini does. I was far more interested in the new iMacs, which seem to be the big leap forward in today's Apple Keynote. I'm very much looking forward to playing with one of those.

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Originally Posted by BleAivano

So some say that without patents, the whole innovation would thing stop.

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Yep, absolutely false.

In fact Innovation should be used to steal a step on the competition and cash in on it, and not to patent old ideas and then try to keep others from re-inventing the same old idea in a slightly different way.

Anyway, Apple likes to take people for idiots and in many cases they manage to do it successfully and their patent war approach and semi-success is built on all the bad attributes of our society: lack of common sense and hyper-idiocy.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

hmm... looks like I'll be waiting for quotes on the iPad 4 :p

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I didn't even know here was an iPad 3.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I don't have an iPad.
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Yet! :)

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Lucky you. You still have the choice to get something better. ;)

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

BBC News - US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

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Finally a glimpse of common sense. I've had already given up on it.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Anyone who understands patents and design patents surely also knows that they're not necessarily only used to protect one's own inventions or designs.
Often enough, they can be used solely for the purpose of preventing others from using them (stimie their innovation ;) ), as "swaps" for patents in a competitor's hand, or as ways to send competitors on wild goose chases.
Yes I also have a couple to my name :andrea: :dozey:

The really important stuff often goes unpatented as that would give others a hint at your secrets and the possibility of a workaround.

I wonder how much the system is abused by the likes of both Apple and Samsung, and (their) patent lawyers :)

BBC News - US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

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I actually have an example for that.

In Sweden we have a soft drink called (jul)must. The exact recipe are a well guarded secret by the family who owns it.
They have opted to not "patent" the recipe since that would mean that they would have to reveal the exact content of the recipe.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

hmm... looks like I'll be waiting for quotes on the iPad 4 :p

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The iPad 4 is out!


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Originally Posted by BleAivano

I actually have an example for that.

In Sweden we have a soft drink called (jul)must. The exact recipe are a well guarded secret by the family who owns it.
They have opted to not "patent" the recipe since that would mean that they would have to reveal the exact content of the recipe.

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That is of course different :)

If you patent something then when the patent expires, your product is more or less worthless as everyone will be able to make it the same way. Not a problem for the technology industry as things will have moved on by then, but if you're Heinz and you make zillions a year from your tomato sauce then you want it to carry on for as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

As Henners said all this displays is a total lack of understanding of the most basic principles of the patenting process.

Name a single part of your computer that does not have a patent. In fact, name a single thing developed in the modern era that doesn't.

Patenting isn't a secret process, the information is out there to educate yourself about it. Why don't you?

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There's a difference though. I'm sure there were patents for when the optical sensor for mice was developed and also the laser mouse. The thing that Apple seem to be able to do is get patents for silly things like the general shape of something and anyone who makes something similar gets their butts kicked in a US court (note that it generally seems to be US courts where these sort of rulings take place)

Crap like this needs to stop and Apple needs to let its product do the talking. Logitech are famous for their kidney bean shaped mice which fit well in your hand. Other companies are free to roughly imitate the shape of a logitech mouse (it's the sensible shape for a mouse!) if they want to and they do, anyone caught releasing a carbon copy would of course be sued, but Logitech products stand up by virtue of them being quality products which do their job well.

Apple should start making products that make people not want to buy competitors products :)