Prodrive Mini WRC

Didn't some Ford dealerships have RS parts for sale that could be put on your car, for use in Rallying? I'm pretty sure they did. Imagine that now.....[ ;) ] okay, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Not necessarilly at all. Anyone with the wherewithall to fund a private WRC campaign is already an achiever, a winner. Winners want to be in the main game. They don't settle for 2nd best or to be "the best of the rest". It could well be that, rather than reduce their earnings, opening the accessability up might enhance their business.

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Are you saying me that a private team (like some that we have in Europe) weren't able to do the same that the MSport B-Team is doing or Citroen JWRT? You're completely wrong.

If you look at Ostberg team, you see that when a manufacturer releases decent material and know-how to a good team, that team is able to do an excelent job. Ostberg already won a rally this year. Of course that Adapta Team has no chance to have a second car.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Sollitt, You are seeing the very reason I find this forum much more pleasant using the ignore fuction for the Greek guy who does NOT know anything that is NOT easy to find on the monitor in the lab he lives in, which presumably he's busy surfing the net and NOT researching whatever he supposed to be researching.

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it is really sad that you failed at what you did as a rally driver, mechanic ,rally florist or whatever your job/hobby was is and you like to make things personal to abandon your inferiority complex, it is even sadder that you are old enough now so no more dreams just facing reality for the rest of your life 50.000 miles away from home...

but it is ok.... just think that for every succesfull person at whatever they do, there are at least 10.000 of people like you...so you you are not alone.

you really want to go personal with a person you will never know and probably do not want to ?? over the interwebs ??

meh...not very wise for your age.

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Originally Posted by JAM

Are you saying me that a private team (like some that we have in Europe) weren't able to do the same that the MSport B-Team is doing or Citroen JWRT?

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No, I'm not saying that at all. How do the cars used by the M-Sport B team & Citroen JWRT compare to those used by Latvala & Loeb?

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Originally Posted by sollitt

No, I'm not saying that at all. How do the cars used by the M-Sport B team & Citroen JWRT compare to those used by Latvala & Loeb?

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They are not the same, but with exceptions. Ogier won Portugal in 2010 with a JRT car. Duval had a Stobart car some years agor with top factory specs. Ostberg had a Stobart car in Sweden 11 top level (by other reasons)

It's a question of a manufacturer want or not. And when they want, they put the private cars at the same levels. But today, even the private cars are run by the manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

it is really sad that you failed at what you did as a rally driver, mechanic ,rally florist or whatever your job/hobby was is and you like to make things personal to abandon your inferiority complex, it is even sadder that you are old enough now so no more dreams just facing reality for the rest of your life 50.000 miles away from home...

but it is ok.... just think that for every succesfull person at whatever they do, there are at least 10.000 of people like you...so you you are not alone.

you really want to go personal with a person you will never know and probably do not want to ?? over the interwebs ??

meh...not very wise for your age.

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No, what is sad is that some Glollum-like creature blathers and spews thousands and thousands of words based on a totally imagined foundation and then worse exhibits his canyon like, miles wide, miles deep lack of knowledge by arguing with the very people who can help him understand how wide and deep his lack of knowledge is---even if it is like throwing a handful of sand into the Atlantic hoping to fill the Mid-Atlantic Rift.
I didn't fail at those things you listed, I did just what I chose to do, no shame in doing what I did, and do, and no shame in getting criticized by somebody who in the context of Motosport, is NOT even a village driver, NOT even a village co-driver, NOT even a guy who air's up the tires for a village team, and from the daily hate you spew, obviously NOT even a spectator except once a year when they let you out on parole. Your words weigh NOThing...

Now if you are NOT a real 1005 keyboard jckey you will apologize to the poor weary forum members for talking crap that originated NOwhere other than your overactive imagination, and from insulting members.


Back to "ignore: NOTthing"

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

I think Sweden 2011 was one of the only events where factory and private cars were so equal... As it was the first event for all.

@ N.O.T. and janvanvurpa: You can do personal things through PM also...
@ janvanvurpa: You seem to be NOT so good in ignoring NOT :D

When was the last time we had a decent AND active moderator here?

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My almost neighbor from Roselare, we can only try. but people use the "quote" function and then almost with not intend, we see crazy and absurd things being said. A decent sense of respect for the efforts of those who years past built and serviced and drove in events and a decent respect for the truth, nearly demands that a person speaks up..or the truth and history will be lost.

It might be approximately if you read somewhere --written by somebody who had never been near your country--"They didn't have the same beer for everybody in Belgium back then, and its alway been natural in Belgium that they give the best beer to the works beer drinkers. And they don't have good fritjes in Belgie either"
Something like that would probably make you try to set the record straight out of respect for the truth.

So, anything new in this Prodrive case?

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

it is really sad that you failed at what you did as a rally driver, mechanic ,rally florist or whatever your job/hobby was is and you like to make things personal to abandon your inferiority complex, it is even sadder that you are old enough now so no more dreams just facing reality for the rest of your life 50.000 miles away from home...

but it is ok.... just think that for every succesfull person at whatever they do, there are at least 10.000 of people like you...so you you are not alone.

you really want to go personal with a person you will never know and probably do not want to ?? over the interwebs ??

meh...not very wise for your age.

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:D

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

i just cannot accept the fact that factory teams would give away their technical knowledge that easy in the old times, while now they control their private entries as they wish...

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If you consider the rules at the time you will find that easy to accept.

In the "old times" any driver could score points for a manufacturer. That means that the pilot finishing in the highest position for one manufacturer would score points for that manufacturer. It didn't matter if it was a factory or a private entry. This rule was on until the early 90s.

So official teams could took advantage from giving all the technicall knowledge to private teams. And from 1973 to 1978 the WRC was only a manufacturer championship, there was no pilot championship.

Nowadays we have a team championship (which IMHO was another FIA mistake) so M-Sport, Stobard or Adapta cars do not score points for Ford but for their own team!