Mobile phones & tablets thread

So some say that without patents, the whole innovation would thing stop.

So tell me then, who has the patent for:

the wheel?, ladder?, nails(those sharp things made of metal, not the things on your fingers), sail?, rudder?
steering/helms wheel?, mast?, bath?, toilet?, chair?, table?, carriage?, ploughs?, door?,window?
roof?, ski?, shoe?, musket?, bow+arrow?, cannon?, fork?, knife?, spoon?, glass?, plate?, road?, oar?,boat?

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Originally Posted by BleAivano

So some say that without patents, the whole innovation would thing stop.

So tell me then, who has the patent for:

the wheel?, ladder?, nails(those sharp things made of metal, not the things on your fingers), sail?, rudder?
steering/helms wheel?, mast?, bath?, toilet?, chair?, table?, carriage?, ploughs?, door?,window?
roof?, ski?, shoe?, musket?, bow+arrow?, cannon?, fork?, knife?, spoon?, glass?, plate?, road?, oar?,boat?

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As Henners said all this displays is a total lack of understanding of the most basic principles of the patenting process.

Name a single part of your computer that does not have a patent. In fact, name a single thing developed in the modern era that doesn't.

Patenting isn't a secret process, the information is out there to educate yourself about it. Why don't you?

Easy there malbec boy... I have a patent for high horses.

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Originally Posted by henners88

When were those things invented? Most of those objects are many hundreds of years old so my questions to you are: when were patents introduced, and how long does a patent last? If you understood the patent system then you wouldn't have given such examples. Come on guys we're discussing technology relevant to the last 10 or so years where the patent system applies.


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Oh really? you don't say? But how is that possble?

You and Malbec keeps saying that without patent there would be no inventing.

Guess what? I just proved you wrong. As these objects clearly were invented without patent.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You've completely misunderstood evidently. Once again the mix up between innovating and inventing seems to be apparent. I'm finding it very difficult to discuss this with someone who is unfamiliar with the process. Comparing inventions that are several hundred years old with modern electronics covered by the present day patenting system is largely irrelevant and your point is lost on me.

I have at no point said 'without patents there would be no inventing' and you are free to quote me on that. Inventing is still a large part of modern society but those who do, have the capabilities to protect their intellectual property. If they don't, then they have to expect it to be stolen in a fully legal way.

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Likewise I find it impossible to discuss this subject with someone so unfamiliar with this basic concept. Nor have I claimed that no patents means no invention. Patenting protects and promotes innovation but there are no absolutes in economics.

I'm sure I will again be attacked for being condescending but Bleiavano we're talking about a basic concept of economics that should be taught at the age of 16 or so. It is merely an extension of the most fundamental principle in economics, that people should be justly rewarded for their labour.

Read this wikipedia article about the principle of intellectual property:

Intellectual property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone who understands patents and design patents surely also knows that they're not necessarily only used to protect one's own inventions or designs.
Often enough, they can be used solely for the purpose of preventing others from using them (stimie their innovation ;) ), as "swaps" for patents in a competitor's hand, or as ways to send competitors on wild goose chases.
Yes I also have a couple to my name :andrea: :dozey:

The really important stuff often goes unpatented as that would give others a hint at your secrets and the possibility of a workaround.

I wonder how much the system is abused by the likes of both Apple and Samsung, and (their) patent lawyers :)

BBC News - US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

Apple just launched the iPad Mini. Looks nice and IMO the proper size and weight for a tablet. The proper iPad has always been far too big.

Hefty price tag at £269 for a 16gb model but that was to be expected!

I don't have an iPad.
:(

Yet! :)

I just ordered a SIII, and am still thinking about an iPad for Christmas... 24 Month contract for ~900€ over the 2 years for the 16GB model (costs ~550&#8364 ;) with a 3GB flat internet rate :dozey:

Whereas I've always thought the iPad is too big and too heavy so the Mini looks about right for me.