Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Rallying never really needed manufacturers, they are only needed because of the stupid homologation fia-cashcow rules.

Everyone should be able to build and drive a car as long as its build according to the rules, just like in wrx or f1 or dakar or lemans or..

The forced need for manufacturers aproval has been holding the sport back for many years now. Without that rule, we could have seen many private firms operating their own cars, just like ik most other motorsports.

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mmm it seems to me that m-sport is the only name that fits. "open" section (as r4 kit) didn't bring out very much

The difference between rallying and most other motorsports is that rally cars must be street legal. I'm sure that has something to do with keeping the manufacturers in the homologation process. Not sure though how they apply that to the scaled down tubular chassis of the 2022 cars...

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Rallying never really needed manufacturers, they are only needed because of the stupid homologation fia-cashcow rules.

Everyone should be able to build and drive a car as long as its build according to the rules, just like in wrx or f1 or dakar or lemans or..

The forced need for manufacturers aproval has been holding the sport back for many years now. Without that rule, we could have seen many private firms operating their own cars, just like ik most other motorsports.

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Rallying in principle didn't need them but without them it would be just a minor sport. It's them who made it big thing with big money. So, yes, it can run without them but be prepared that the profile of the sport will suffer hugely.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

The difference between rallying and most other motorsports is that rally cars must be street legal. I'm sure that has something to do with keeping the manufacturers in the homologation process. Not sure though how they apply that to the scaled down tubular chassis of the 2022 cars...

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Isn’t it so they can drive them on the roads between stages?

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Originally Posted by T16

Isn’t it so they can drive them on the roads between stages?

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I meant that because of manufacturers homologating every rally car, they can be street legal. The current Toyota Yaris WRC is basically just a tuning kit added to a street Yaris. But if you had a Prodrive GT Turbo Rally1 or something, there wouldn't be a corresponding street model. But I don't know that much about these things.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't care at all if we lost the road sections.

I wonder what would cost more, making rally cars road legal or putting them on a trailer between stages?

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Originally Posted by Morte66

I wonder what would cost more, making rally cars road legal or putting them on a trailer between stages?

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Have you ever been to a rally? Where do you want to put those trailers? In at least half of the stages around the world there is nowhere to place some trailers dozens of kilometers around the stages and moreover some trucks with trailers may not even pass the road sections!

Easier then to let rallycars travel on their own between stages. But why should authorities bather. Rallycars has steering, brakes and safety zones for driver and passenger. They fit any traffic situation without having any question of being street legal. Authorities could easily let them drive without legalization.

No road sections and non-road legal wacky racer prototypes not based on road cars... Are we still calling it rallying?

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Originally Posted by wyler

mmm it seems to me that m-sport is the only name that fits. "open" section (as r4 kit) didn't bring out very much

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M-sport and prodrive come to mind.
But in so many other classes there are many big private teams participating, so one has to ask why the wrc does not attract them.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Rallying in principle didn't need them but without them it would be just a minor sport. It's them who made it big thing with big money. So, yes, it can run without them but be prepared that the profile of the sport will suffer hugely.

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I doesn't need to run without them. It just needs to be possible to build and drive a car without them.

Just like most other top series, like f1, like wrx, like dakar. Big manufacturers will still win the titles, but local teams can also build a car and participate. They don't need to find and convince a manufacturer to do it.