WRC Croatia Rally 2021

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25th April 2021, 09:09
meh

Ostberg also stopped? No split4 and freezed on maps.

edit: stage time exists, wrc+ "features"
25th April 2021, 09:09
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

If they undertake on the inside, it explains a lot.

So again. It is allowed in the city driving because it is not overtaking per law in Croatia. In a city traffic on multi-lane roads it is totally common that vehicles in different lanes pass each other in whatever order. I'm quite sure it is like that in major British cities as well.

An example. You have a left lane leading left or straight. Right lane leads only straight. Now a vehicle in the left lane is taking left turn and another vehicles behind it slow down. You come by the right lane with other cars in front and behind you. Will you now slow down not to overtake the slowly moving left lane? Of course not because you would simply block the traffic.
25th April 2021, 09:10
Got Mail

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

knowing his luck, nothing will be done

Stewards can't let this go. It's appalling behaviour.

Not a good fit for the ' FIA action for road safety' .....
25th April 2021, 09:10
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

incredible fight, awesome

Νeuville could take the win if they didnt f@cked up the tyre choice.

question at Ogier at stage end.
Ingrassia wearing googles?
lol
25th April 2021, 09:10
htr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriarty

https://youtu.be/pFOE4PeLIfg

https://www.fia.com/fia-and-its-long...ry-road-safety
:D
25th April 2021, 09:12
denkimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

So again. It is allowed in the city driving because it is not overtaking per law in Croatia. In a city traffic on multi-lane roads it is totally common that vehicles in different lanes pass each other in whatever order. I'm quite sure it is like that in major British cities as well.

An example. You have a left lane leading left or straight. Right lane leads only straight. Now a vehicle in the left lane is taking left turn and another vehicles behind it slow down. You come by the right lane with other cars in front and behind you. Will you now slow down not to overtake the slowly moving left lane? Of course not because you would simply block the traffic.

but this was not the case. here we have 3 lanes going to the same direction. there is no reason why anyone should be able to overtake on the right here.
25th April 2021, 09:14
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by denkimi

but this was not the case. here we have 3 lanes going to the same direction. there is no reason why anyone should be able to overtake on the right here.

Doesn't matter. It's legal to undertake in a city in Croatia. Same here in CZ.

The example was to give an idea why it is not forbidden because it can not be realistically enfoced.
25th April 2021, 09:14
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Mail

Stewards can't let this go. It's appalling behaviour.

Not a good fit for the ' FIA action for road safety' .....

we will see, 400€ fine i guess
25th April 2021, 09:15
masa90

Oh wow. This won't look good for Ogier or the sport. Even if there is a team member there to sort it out, can't see how this turn out good for them.
25th April 2021, 09:15
Mirek

Stage red-flagged. Sounds like a big crash...
25th April 2021, 09:16
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

So again. It is allowed in the city driving because it is not overtaking per law in Croatia. In a city traffic on multi-lane roads it is totally common that vehicles in different lanes pass each other in whatever order. I'm quite sure it is like that in major British cities as well.

An example. You have a left lane leading left or straight. Right lane leads only straight. Now a vehicle in the left lane is taking left turn and another vehicles behind it slow down. You come by the right lane with other cars in front and behind you. Will you now slow down not to overtake the slowly moving left lane? Of course not because you would simply block the traffic.

OVERtaking is fine anywhere including city centres, but any UNDERtaking is not allowed in the UK unless the lane you are in is turning off the main road.
25th April 2021, 09:17
flat_right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aqIYYeexqs

Here is one more video. Police clearly indicates that you can't drive further but Ogier still drives away.
25th April 2021, 09:17
Lead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Stage red-flagged. Sounds like a big crash...

For Gryazin?
25th April 2021, 09:18
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tauri_J

Ugh so usual for him

U can't destroy all other times without crash on a next stage... typical
25th April 2021, 09:18
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lead

For Gryazin?

Yes - https://rally-base.com/2021/croatia-rally-2021/
25th April 2021, 09:21
PLuto

It looks like that crew is ok, only car was blocking the road.
25th April 2021, 09:22
mknight

About Ogier. Wonder why there is nobody in the right lane in the first place when Ogier and the other cars are seemingly stopped? Is that lane only for turning off and/or buses straight or something?

About driving from police. One guy(Vojtech) once had police chase him and then stand on his bonnet at start of next stage in CZ.
25th April 2021, 09:22
EstWRC

so will history repeat itself and Evans loses his lead again on last stage or can he write another and new chapter this time?

dont get the long pause now before PS stage
25th April 2021, 09:24
EstWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezzw8OyW...g&name=900x900
25th April 2021, 09:24
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

About driving from police. One guy(Vojtech) once had police chase him and then stand on his bonnet at start of next stage in CZ.

Yes but that was about 15 years ago...
25th April 2021, 09:25
meh

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

dont get the long pause now before PS stage

Probably some extra buffer for potential delays during day and regrouping WRC2 before WRC or something like that. Annoying indeed.
25th April 2021, 09:26
dimviii

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...fb&oe=60AB98B0
25th April 2021, 09:27
dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzzwO-EX...jpg&name=large
25th April 2021, 09:27
petrolhead49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Yes but that was about 15 years ago...

Heard stories like that also, but then there was no social media. Croatian spectators seem to have phones as extensions to their hands...

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25th April 2021, 09:33
dimviii

lol

https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/16/5pg2.jpg
25th April 2021, 09:36
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Yes but that was about 15 years ago...

Point was that when two or more stubborn people meet anything can happen.

Sure Ogier should listen to the police. On the other it's not like there was any danger of "running" to evade responsibility (avoid being identified). Certainly not with what seems like a Toyota team member there. How did he get there anyway? They stood there for long time or he was nearby?
25th April 2021, 09:39
wwbroe

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Point was that when two or more stubborn people meet anything can happen.

Sure Ogier should listen to the police. On the other it's not like there was any danger of "running" to evade responsibility (avoid being identified). Certainly not with what seems like a Toyota team member there. How did he get there anyway? They stood there for long time or he was nearby?

Ogier will get away with it, probably only a fine like usual.:D
25th April 2021, 09:42
Humber

Not if the police arrest Ogier and take him to a police station for questioning before the power stage.

The usual over-riding imperative after any vehicle accident is to stop and ascertain injury to any other person involved. Render assistance &/or summon help etc.
25th April 2021, 09:44
wwbroe

Are they going to restart the stage or all competitors will receive notional time?
25th April 2021, 09:44
rallyfiend

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpt010

Probably a fine, but this should be it. There is rally ongoing and there is already team member (Jarmo Lehtinen) taking care of things. And in general... Mirek is totally right: overtaking on right lane is forbidden only on motorways, not in cities. Same applies in almost every European country.

'Team Member' is not a legal construct!

That's like you being involved in an accident and allowed to leave, 'but don't worry, my mum will be here soon!'
25th April 2021, 09:48
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humber

Not if the police arrest Ogier and take him to a police station for questioning before the power stage.

I am sure there are lot of phonecalls going around from the organizers. Certainly they don't want this Rally Croatia to be the last and remembered by this and "no spectators". (Besids optics the spectators raise doubt about their ability to control them when it's allowed).
25th April 2021, 09:51
wwbroe

Stage seems to be cancelled now?
25th April 2021, 09:57
Tom K

It's free run for all.
25th April 2021, 10:01
Pršljen

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

I am sure there are lot of phonecalls going around from the organizers. Certainly they don't want this Rally Croatia to be the last and remembered by this and "no spectators". (Besids optics the spectators raise doubt about their ability to control them when it's allowed).

What are you talking about? What is wrong with the organization? Is their fault that Ogier acts like a child? And how would you control the spectators? Bear in mind that this is not some remote forest in northern Finland, it's backyard of the capital and area with more than million inhabitants.
25th April 2021, 10:04
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pršljen

What are you talking about? What is wrong with the organization? Is their fault that Ogier acts like a child? And how would you control the spectators? Bear in mind that this is not some remote forest in northern Finland, it's backyard of the capital and area with more than million inhabitants.

I dare to say that the crowd control seems to be generally good. I didnd't see any suicidal spectators along the stages like often elsewhere (maybe few individuals but no dangerous crowds). Sure it's strange to call it "no spectator" rally and than even issue beer tents to the stages but in the end I just feel a little jelous that you can go there and spectate the WRC in your country :)
25th April 2021, 10:06
bomber21

I think that the sport gained new fans from Croatia and this is a great thing for the sport we all love.
And I agree, fans are generally behaving well.
25th April 2021, 10:10
Eli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

I dare to say that the crowd control seems to be generally good. I didn't see any suicidal spectators along the stages like often elsewhere (maybe few individuals but no dangerous crowds). Sure it's strange to call it "no spectator" rally and than even issue beer tents to the stages but in the end I just feel a little jealous that you can go there and spectate the WRC in your country :)

A bit off topic here ,Hopefully Barum Rally will return this year (to the ERC) and while on the subject, I'd love to see it on the WRC calendar.
25th April 2021, 10:11
Pršljen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

I dare to say that the crowd control seems to be generally good. I didnd't see any suicidal spectators along the stages like often elsewhere (maybe few individuals but no dangerous crowds). Sure it's strange to call it "no spectator" rally and than even issue beer tents to the stages but in the end I just feel a little jelous that you can go there and spectate the WRC in your country :)

Well, I'm far away from Zagreb now and that's why I'm super sensitive of possibility of bad organization and loss of slot in the 2022 calendar when I'll be able to come :)

An epic battle awaits us on the PS. Lot of points to be decided, maybe Tanak will go flat out to damage Toyota's result, maybe Toyota will have some strategy of securing the 1-2.
25th April 2021, 10:16
Mirek

On a fun note... the incident of Ogier and the policeman is a principle example of why the WRC shall not be held in USA :D
25th April 2021, 10:17
rage82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

On Ogier, that BMW seemed to come fast and from nowhere and in the UK we woukd call that illegal 'undertaking'.

And there was probably a bus lane( because there was a bus stop) and you shouldn't be driving in the bus lane.

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