At least there is something to watch for.
No matter how it ends(even crash) Østberg did much better rally than anyone expected.... and Latvala did a mediocre one.
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At least there is something to watch for.
No matter how it ends(even crash) Østberg did much better rally than anyone expected.... and Latvala did a mediocre one.
I wasnt so surprised he went so well here. Mads wad doing good times in Goodwood and then in SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Others are so cynical and biased they wont believe. One said he'll be 2-3 mins behind Ogier...
One thing is Citroen speed. Another is that Østberg has been top 3 after day one so many times before and then he always ran into some kind of issues. Usually by mid-day on day 2 he is completely out.
So keeping it up there for 3 days is something new.
Neuville is the most smuggest and arrogant drivers but the actions of MSport make me want to root for him to win the title ahead of Ogier. He needs help from not 1 but 2 of his teammates to slow down/be late to time control during the rally to get a f...ing 5th place.
As an Estonian I really hope that Tänak will never need this kind of help from one of his teammates. Even if it leads to a title.
https://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/11/47/50/08/lefzob10.jpg
Please remain seated with your seat belt fastened until the Captain turns off the Fasten Seat Belt signal.
Suninen took penalty, 2min late
yep. Ogier should know what karma is. Good luck on SS23 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
And you don't think Hyundai would have done exactly the same thing given the option?Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
so 2 more points for himQuote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
Perhaps they would have, honestly dont know. The Fridays part with Evans was a complete joke for the most marginal of gains. Teemu, being a fin at his home rally, being faster then Ogier for the whole rally is another joke but that at least makes some sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I think it is at part understandable if for example Evans and Ogier would be going to the last stage with a few seconds time gap and the team suggesting to Evans to not give his all on the last stage. But the way they are playing it...
So in space of one weekend, Ogier has gotten new parts to the car that none of his teammates got, was let past by Evans just waiting at the finish line for several seconds. (Evans knowing since end of Friday that he is not allowed to race, so just having to stroll around for 2 days) and now Teemu having to go late to time control and having to step off in the power stage so he would not let Ogier get past. Bravo!
Next step they send no3 car ahead of Neuville to create some dust infront of him to slowdown.
No I don't think Hyundai would be swapping drivers for 5th instead of 6th on the road (Evans on friday). I do think Hyundai would swap them in the overall standings at the end of rally though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Btw. in Mexico both Sordo and Mikkelsen were ahead of Neuville and in Sweden Mikkelsen was ahead on PS.
I really hoped M-Sport imply orders to Suninen, just to read all that bullshit. Keep them coming.
Slo-mo Neuville jump :cool:
https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/st...69933877972992
https://www.facebook.com/juniorwrcof...UJ5cP0oSnTUG7E
Exciting moment for Dave Holder in JWRC
Much better view than the official camera. Either they should use this or move further away from the jump along the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
starting order
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjQ0K1nXgAAGlFb.jpg
I would imagine that there are strong contractual agreements in place that cover exactly the M-Sport situation this weekend. I suspect if Sunninen had stayed ahead of Paddon or was in contention for a podium,it would have been different.
At least this is up front and not down to hidden instructions.
Did Hyundai will hold Paddon do not attack PS and allow Neuville grab some PS points? Don't think so.
"yump" ? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
You could bet they would if Neuville was posting winning times.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Its a team sport and a no-brainer to swap team-mate positions, especially here as it has no effect on their total Manu's points and helps the higher placed driver in the Driver's Ch'ship.
And people are forgetting that Ogier suffered a much worse road position on day one than his team-mates, hence falling behind them. Given a level playing field he would probably be ahead already.
Really? Why they run World Drivers championship in this case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I don't know if Neuville has much chance of PS points with his pace this weekend anyway, but I'm pretty sure the team will have told Paddon not to risk the manufacturer points for a few extra drivers points in the PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Bit of a different situation for them this weekend with Paddon their only competitive driver and the others a long way behind though.
Thank god that Tänak joined Toyota!Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Neuville was 6th on first running and Paddon was 3th. So if things stays like this it can be 1point for Neuvill if Paddon didn't attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Cuz Suninen and Evans will not attack for sure.
Wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Nothing for Hayden to gain and holding position/manufacturers points will be a major consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
I think what's happened this weekend is really interesting and really a lesson in team rallying from M-Sport. Elfyn has done nothing this year to warrant him not being handed team orders. Suninen's time will come. It all makes complete sense.
Also people quoting what Hyundai did or didn't do back on the second and third rounds of the championship is a bit misguided isn't it. We're into the business end of the championship now.
You don't get it. It's not that they let him past in overall standings, every team would do that at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's the ridiculousnes of letting Evans drop for 5th instead of 6th on the road and now get Suninen penalty before PS so Ogier drives 7th instead of 8th. What's the real gain? 0.1s?
That's completely new level of "doing everything for lead driver". Certainly setting new levels of how far you could go.
We should start placing bets now on next moves. Let's just hope it does not get into DTM where teams send second drivers to crash into their competitors for title.
Never had a criticial word from Eddie about Ogier in the last 2 years so no surprise here.
Ford has every right to swap positions of drivers and do whatever they want as long as it is not against rules.
I think its also fair to criticize them in these cases for non fair play. In the end it wont change anything.
The sad part about it is, just like with Ogier shenanigans in Sweden PS. Once they do it so blatantly, Hyundai and Toyoto wont have any other choice but to do the same when they are in a similar position to have an equal chance.
But hey, as long as it is in the rules. I will still continue being critical of non sportsmanship actions.
'jump' with a Finnish accent :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It has become a fairly common NZ pace note term for a small jump.
Suninen has dropped behind Ogier on the leaderboard now prior to the stage so the gain is 2 points. Wasn't done solely for road position.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
We understood well You don't respect M-Sport/Ogier. Should at least respect the name of the manufacturer for which Your favorite driver competes.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
It was done before PS solely for the road position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
For points they could do that at the end. Btw. now if Ogier for some reason drops 0.8s in PS and gets behind they have to get him penalized again ;)
New O/A before Power Stage
Tänak
Ostberg+32.2
JML+34.7
Paddon+1.30.3
Ogier+2.13.3
Suninen+2.14.1
Evans+2.26.6
Breen+3.06.7
Neuville+3.50.6
Mikkelsen+8.30.0
I have respect for both, I just dont respect these actions. I respect Ott as well, but if he does something that I consider to be unsportsmanlike I will criticize him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
What is your problem? You can clearly see it was a typo, why point that out? Wtf dude.
you criticize his idol, and he keep every chance as he could to fight you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool