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This OT I know: I think everyone of us other born natural fellows are way under your radar most of the time. Having said that it means you´ll have to seek for dialogue with outer space fellows when you´re skyrockethigh?
Respect is subjective opinion. People also have different standards what to respect more, and what less. Ogier talks too much about the championship rules, Capito also tried to do something about them, but soon gave up as there was no support from nowhere, it is true somebody else wouldn't talk that much. All just humans anyway with their qualities and falls.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I often wonder why he even bother to argue with lots of people, as the standards are so high.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
this is very general speaking you are talking,but here we dont speak generally about respect,but respect for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
And Ogier doesnt deserve respect for a particular reason,as you saw, even inside his homeland compared to Loeb from his copatriots.
no he dont talk too much about rules,he talks too much about rules only when he dont win.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
When he was pushing Loeb when he was cleaning all gravel rallies for years,he didn t spoke about rules at all.
Why?
trying to find excuses about silly Ogiers behaviour doesnt help.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Although I find it is not subjective since we are talking about being respected by people in general and not individuals, yes he is human but so Loeb was and he had a way different stature than Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Great gallery http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-portugal/
And anyway, looking at current "rising stars", Ogier finishing his career with bigger numbers than Loeb is not far from possible...
Ogier only has 3 titles (2015 included)... he needs another 6 to be even.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I doubt VW will stay in the sport that long and i doubt that someone will not close the gap or emerge...
patience is a virtue.
Let's see, hope you're right, we need some tight fights for titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Yes You're right, for this reason I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Probably he had different things on his mind back then, I couldn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I don't try anything. And Ogier doesn't need that to continue to take away the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Amazing effect on some of those photos. Probably never seen anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
No worries. Even if the numbers become bigger, he will never beat actual world champion. So this is always what he will miss in his career. (wow, I already predicted the future in this forum threads)Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
VERY good photographer. Clever use of natural and artificial light, and some cool tilt shift photography. Very impressive :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Kris Meeke is a positive trend in an otherwise very predictable sport.
Watched the WC Rally Cross race from Lydden Hill, and it was real excitement. Its very seldom these days that You get the same in the WRC. Last time was with Loeb in Monte Carlo.
Ogier is one step ahead, and it all comes down to how much he will loose with his starting position.
Volkswagen is one step ahead, so the amount Ogier looses on his starting position reflects in the finishing order of the VW`s.
Thierry Neuville is out of order, and thats a pity. He has a natural ability to go fast, but it seems he doesnt know how or why, so it only comes to him when every planet allign in the right order. He tries to much, and this is what increases risk and decreases speed.
Mads Østberg have been a little dissapointing, tough he has also struggled with technical gremlins. He has problems getting the car dialed in to the first SS, and spends a lot of his rallies doing work that should have been finished on testing. He is a very quick driver, but only when lucky with the set up. And I think he gets very stressed when he has a faster team mate.
Andreas Mikkelsen I cant really get my head around. In my opinion I think he is the quickest driver out there, when he knows the road and grip levels. But introduce changing grip levels and pace notes, and he seems to struggle a bit. ANd he also is a high risk braker, which catches him out from time to time. He is a driver where everything can just fall in to place, and then he will win rallies, (I have seen this happen, and then he is just incredible) but I think both he and the team dont know exactly what needs to fall in place to make that happen,, so he can be kept struggeling.
Jari Matti is the same driver now as he has been for a long time. High speed, high risk. Incredible to watch when he lets it all hang out, and he gets to the finish (he have had some extremely good drives in Sweden for instance), but will never be World Champion with some one like Ogier in the series.
Dani Sordo is on and off as usual. Give him a car he thinks is a little to understeered and he will impress. But a long way from the top of the rostrum.
The Ford guys can fight among the best of the rest, and Ott has some incredible bursts of speed from time to time, but high risk, so difficult to net a win.
In the final in RallycrossRX at Lydden Hill Petter Solberg won JUST in front of Mathias Ekstrøm, after a very close race, and it was exciting. Cant really say the same about WRC these days, and thats a pity.
I think you're saying that it's fairly predictable? Which explains why apart from in here, there is little interest in the WRC ( as far as UK goes). I'm sure thats not the case elsewhere.
Yes, because it takes place over 10-20km, as opposed to 350km; it's a cheap, manufactured excitement for an attention-deficient audience, in my opinion. If every WRC event was just held on the Shakedown stage it would be equally close, but not very exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
WRC events used to be won by minutes, just like Le Mans used to be win by laps. Now, both frequently cone down to a matter of seconds, yet still people want manufactured drama. The irony being that manufacturing drama doesn't work, because it becomes normal, and what used to be dramatic becomes less so, so something more extreme must be done; look at NASCAR's predicament.
WRC is attempting to manufacture drama in some ways, by messing with the road order constantly (which has arguably backfired on them three times already), but by and large it allows the best to win still, which means that the drama that does take place is actually dramatic; see Sweden this year, for an example.
The excitement I derive from this sport is watching skilful people pilot a car down a narrow, tree-lined ribbon of track with potentially disastrous consequences, each trying to do it quicker than anyone else, for whom they have no visual reference (unlike rallycross, where you can 'manage' a lead).
Sorry, a bit of a rant there. I agree with your analysis of the drivers though.
Tilt shift! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Jaanus Ree is a great photographer indeed, you can recognize him because he's carrying half a studio with him on the stages. :D Completely different level than anyone else who is photographing in WRC. No offense to anyone but I don't like the recent photos of for example Lavadinho (@World), where the editing is very obvious and looks very cheap and quick. For those who like Jaanus Ree's photos, it's worth to check his other galleries too: http://jree.ee/galleries/
Yes, I met him last year at Rally Australia on the stages and helped him with some of his gear. I just now have seen his work.. bit and pieces online if I see a name attached but first time checked his website.
@world is a bit artificial... and like a few people have written in the past days noting photographers all at the same point, shooting the same thing and angle; my self working with McKlein i've been taught to go against the grain and have come out with some quality images with positive feedback from the bosses and their clients.
I do not like the additional flash in others images, but can see that Jaanus is doing it much better than Roslon and @world and others... don't get me started on Polish photographers :|
Part (not all of course), of the appeal of rally to many is the scenery/landscapes. How many times have we heard you whinge about those ladyboys going round and round those F1 tracks with grandstands and sand traps. What would you rather have, varied landscapes or identical sand traps?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Being from Greece I thought you would remember those amazing 'rallying landscapes' of the cars below the monasteries of Μετέωρα (Meteora).
I want to see action photos of cars doing wild things, not THE SAME generic landscapes photoshoped with cool lightning and a car going through year after year... its rallying not landscape photography...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
the main problem is that these guys are clueless about rallying and picking up a good spot, their idea of action is a hairpin, that is why they all gather up in the same spots on each rally... they do not care about the action only about the scenery... and every year they just become predictable... on the first day of portugal all these nobodies gathered up next to a lake and photographed the lake ... oh and a car passing through on a straight line !!!! LOL... I really doubt they even bothered to go through the stages one by one to find a proper spot, they probably saw a lake on google maps and gathered there for some amazing water photography... oh and a car with stickers on....
You can see beautiful pictures of Meteora without a rally car in them and by real professionals who know how to deal with landscapes.
Some pictures I took about the atmosphere. Can you find the amateur between the professionals?
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Unbelievable. An ambulance requested by an injured WRC driver and nothing done about it!
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Poor Bertelli... nobody cares about you apart from mommy and daddy... maybe that is an indication for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Don't You think that this is quite a serious thing to troll about? Welcome to my ignore list. Enough is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I can't imagine such thing would happen even on an amateur event here. What a shame...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
If the co-driver turned the sign to SOS why the following cars did not stop ???
Awesome gallery, thanks. Those first ones in the forest are surreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I saw this guy setting up his massive flash gantry (that's not a euphemism) at Gartheinog last year and wondered what in earth he was trying to achieve; now I know.
This is a huge failure of the organization and should be taken very seriously and investigated by the FIA, far more serious stuff than giving Lappi his 5 minutes back. Safety is the most important item in Motorsport. F.i. during Rally Wales last year a SS was cancelled / postponed while a marshall was in serious medical problems and that was a great and understandable decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
instead of taking seriously a spoilled rich boys accusations you should just check your facts... why nobody stopped at the SOS sign ?? are 30+ drivers that came 20 mins after bertelli felt sick blind ???
An article about Bertelli's issue. The author had just spoken with the codriver via phone. It is in italian hope g translate will do a good job
http://www.rally.it/incidente-a-bert...mano-la-prova/
Rich boy should learn its place in the WRC and most importantly the rules...
if he wanted the rally stopped he could have put the SOS sign up to the following driver... which he says he did in the written report but apparently the drivers after him are blind...
For sure they have to investigate and verify if the organizarion has done what Bertelli's team claim. I would not take a position before knowing what the organizers have to say about this. For sure if that is true it's a big shame.
They do not have to investigate anything...
It is very simple for a driver to stop a stage if he wants... Give your co-driver the SOS sign and wave it to the following car.
I don't know how the SOS sign should be used in details but I don't think the driver of the following car could do too much if what they needed was an ambulance.
There's no point debating that. The HQ must not refuse to send ambulance if the crew asks for that. There is no way to examine injured via phone. That's plain absurd. What if he suffered internal bleeding and died? Such things happen and I can name right now several particular cases only from rallying. There is enough time to investigate if sending the ambulance was justified after the event but not before they do that.
The SOS sign should be used when there is a reason to stop the stage and call for help... the following car stops and then drives to the next radio point where the organisers do what they have to do...
If Bertelli wanted the stage stopped he should have done this...
you do not use a nobody spectator as a doctor to speak with the organisers to stop the stage... and then cry like a kid. Its a serious sport and you go by the rules.