he means points . 2010 were 105, before that was the old system (10-8....)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
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he means points . 2010 were 105, before that was the old system (10-8....)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
C'mon, you're talking about a guy who finished the season with 41 points driving a Skoda S2000 and retiring only twice (one driving error on the 1st rally and one mechanical issue on the last).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprocket
Jap, I was thinking about points... thanks. when Ogier continues like this, I think we might see a new record.. Ogier just isnt that kind of a guy who backs off, ever, when Loeb was way ahead of everybody, he just controlled things, and was taking it a litte bit easier, like when he crashed and didnt take the rally 2, but decided to go see the rally on motorbike with his friends, I think when Ogier will be in this kind of situation, he will certanly take the rally 2 , and still wins the rally... and the powerstage...
Helloooooooo :) )
Is there a preview for Rally Mexico 2013? I found only for Day 1 (part 1 and 2)... :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_km2l0qJfQQuote:
Originally Posted by Rautiainen
My bad, it was removed... But you can see the second part of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWiYSvp7094
That's not surprise is it? You wouldn't expect him to claim any Citroen's driver as future rival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
I would guess Mikko is pretty much setting himself up to be second best again this season. Shame, I know I go on about him a bit (well someone has to be a Mikko fan) but he should take more away from this rally than just that. He was totally lacklustre in the Monte, had a disastrous rally Sweden, at least here in Mexico even if he was no match for Ogier he got some points and showed some moments such as qualifying where there was hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
I think the same pretty much applies to all the 'old school' of drivers, (JML, Mikko, Sordo etc) all they can pretty much do is build on their own performances this year.
Really I don't know exactly who is going to challenge Ogier right now at all. If he runs away with the season, fair enough, I've liked Ogier from the start and won't begrudge him the win. I think even Ogier himself though would want a little more competition for the title than it appears we are going to get right now.
JML is very fast, but have too much bad luck (every year :( ). To be champion, it's not enough to be just a fast....
Maybe "good" weather conditions could help other guys in fight with Ogier and VW.....
I'm really surprised, how "fast" is Hirvonen. Is it possible, that DS3 is not for his driving style, like now JML=VW Polo?
WRC 2013 Round 3 Mexico Preview [HD]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoV_rbIvU3U
You've got to give JML a bit more time to adapt to the Polo. I'm sure he'll be better than what he's shown so far.
Hirvonen on the other hand has reached the top of his game with the DS3. I'm afraid this is all he can do with it.
I can not see JML being the man to challenge Ogier for the title, he's not at home in the VW, well adrift in the points, with all respect seems to have major head problems (which won't be helped by having Ogier as a team mate), but most of all will VW really allow a battle between their own team? Look what it did for Citroen in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by faateris
I don't think Mikko is really happy in DS3 or Citroen team, too big a task for him to wear Loeb's boots, lets remember for what 9 years he was second best to Loeb, really I think Mikko's time maybe came and went now.
VW VIDEO:
Volkswagen Motorsport -*2013 WRC Rally Mexico: Reports
Look at 1:24 -> What are those "wawes" in windscreen, heating wires for heated windscreen?!
yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Maanteiden kuningas
Thanks! Is Citroen, Mini and Ford using same system?
i am not sure,but can t believe that a wrc car hasn t got a heated screen when good grN cars have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Maanteiden kuningas
Okay. Again I learned something, thx.
I am pretty sure I've seen something like that in the Fiesta WRC aswell. Dimviii is right, plus that is quite important feature. In some videos of Monte Carlo you could clearly see in the DS3's aswell that there were some kind of heater for windshield.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
WRC Photos and Videos see my signature!
I guess the last piece of hope the other drivers/teams can hold out for is that VW struggle to develop the car in-season. How likely is this? Not very in my opinion. And, since the other teams have catching up to do already, VW don't need to develop an evolution so quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprocket
Yep it doesn't seem likely the other teams will bridge the gap, car and driver seem unbeatable right now. I did wonder if the VW was particularly good with the altitude in Mexico and Portugal might be a little more even. Then I think back to Sweden and think, no, maybe VW + Ogier faster whatever the conditions!Quote:
Originally Posted by 52Paddy
I think there is now also an Ogier factor. He was always quick but sometimes not consistent at the front in the past. He has come back into the top level of WRC though with a thirst for winning and tons of confidence and self belief.
Got to say despite the differences in performance right across the board with the drivers, I really enjoyed this years Mexico!
I think jari-matti and hirvonen i have made big mistakes leaving ford... When I think about it, it reminds me of mcrae going to citoen from ford, he didnt really have the same pace, it seems that fords are easier to drive on the limit and that citroens and now vw (as develoved by ex citroen ogier) only suit a certain driving style. Something seems strange to me, hirvonen seemed much more competitive before he drove for citroen, and now jari-matti doesnt look comfortable, I dont think that it takes so long to adapt to a different car, not with his experience.
Its not quite that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJM
Both drivers came to Ford as pay drivers and left earning minimal wages. They wanted to make a proper living from rallying and lets not forget - there is no Ford team anymore, just the M-Sport privateer squad
It doesnt matter about wages, im talking about there speed... Ok its not official Ford but m-sport has the same budget as last season and if jari was still there he would be at the front as last year.
When you get paid you have the pressure. That´s the difference.
No, M-Sport definately doesn't have the same budget as last season. Now M-Sport have to cover all expences themselves through sponsorship, whereas Ford Motor Co. in previous years covered a lot development expences plus acted as a sponsor moneywise at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJM
I think a part of Hirvonens problem is that he lacks the common setup cooperation he and Loeb shared last year. With Sordo it's not the same as he's isn't as good a gravel driver. Since this is Citroën's last year in the WRC they will properly end up trying just to defend their Manufacturers title since JML is bound to keep throwing points away in that championship. The drivers' title looks like a lost battle at the moment.
I can see the link in with Loeb's setup, but Hirvonen did not complain about the car once, in fact he seemed really happy with it. He just could not drive it fast enough to challenge Ogier in the VW. I honestly think Hirvonen had a proper go at taking the challenge to Ogier this time too, rather than sitting back and hoping for trouble up front. He did mention going less sideways to be faster, which sounds like the car not surprisingly suits the cleaner Loeb style of driving. It's why I don't really see anything other than Ogier collecting practically full points for the rest of the season. I've a feeling even Loeb would have struggled to keep Ogier in his sights in Mexico, he certainly gave up chasing in Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
I never post about this guy, but... WRC by Ken Block:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkm6Jq2R2c
Block did good in Mexico, wish he would commit to more WRC rounds, he has a knack for putting the fun back into the sport.
I think most of the difference is about cars. If Mikko did a proper rally with no mistakes and Ogier still in front on gravel, it sure also as a part have to do with car.
Setup? No, Citroen for sure has files with setups for all types of conditions after Loeb has gone.
Cars vs Driving style perhaps? Mikko's approach to driving was very different than Loeb. I don't think Mikko has that precision that Loeb and Ogier seem to possess and, maybe, the Citroen needs a more clinical driving style to get quick times. Is Mikko a case of: can't teach an old dog new tricks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
People said the same when Mikko was driving Ford however no change came when he switched to Citroën. Is JML faster now than with Ford? No, he isn't. How about the past? How come Tommi won four titles in a car which others struggled with? It's too simple to say that winners win because of the car. It's often opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I think also a combination of right car right driver at the right time. Now it is Ogier and the VW, for a long time it was Loeb in any Citroen! I think in the past Citroen had little to do to stay one step ahead of Ford, now there is a manufacturer who will leave nothing to chance and the right driver to get the wins. So to me Citroen need to raise their game, though I think they will instead now just fade out of the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I haven't had time to bring here my photos... but i leave this one
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8517/8...a6ab8f5f09.jpg
well... another one :D
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8251/8...a883f5e08a.jpg