Ogier's today victory of the rally is more valuable than loeb's championship title from 2008, or 2009 or 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
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Ogier's today victory of the rally is more valuable than loeb's championship title from 2008, or 2009 or 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
"And the Pulitzer Prize for category "Forum Posting" goes to..." :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
it is the easiest thing in the world to show someone the truth...
making up lies and trying to persuade people is the hard part.
That`s impossible, Colin McRae died in 2007!Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
replace the word personality with driver then.
As usual you spread you bile and spoil the forum for everyone - just no need for it, not funny, not clever & certainly not the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
The only 'garbage' is what you talk.
Pity they got rid of the block option ...
Get over it, i believe in you, i think you can do it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I´ve missed the bs and the lols. Not.
ucp.php > the tab "Friends and Foes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
the main rival for Ogier will be Latvala...Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Neuville doesn't have a car to compete against Ogier... in order to be close to him he has to drive 11/10 and that is the reason he cannot handle it.
next year only 4 drivers will take part that have won events and 2 of them are Sordo and Hirvonen..so technically only Latvala can be considered a constant winner due to speed... the conclusions are yours.
Loeb was lucky and when his domimance began some old gods competed still that people looked in awe... that is why his legend grew and that is why people will have him as standard for the years to come.
Any championship is still a championship at the end of the day the numbers count.
but Ogier must try 10 times harder than Loeb did to build his name because currently he is going to win championships against nobodies...
He lost his chance to ridicule Loeb this year big time and make him look like a scared running dog despite everything was in his favour.
The only fair competition between the two Sebs would have been them both competing the whole year. Loeb choose not to do that. Now after this rally and how it ended I think Loeb would have liked to do whole season.
And it would have helped a lot of you guys competing in the topic of Seb and Seb.... ;)
even if he did...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
we are talking about a 39 year old guy vs a 30 year old guy don't forget that... NEVER in history has a 39 year old managed to drive faster and win championships consistently than drivers in their best rallying age...
You think that Loebs legendary status is only about numbers... his legend and skills go deeper than superficial numbers... the records are just the tip of the iceberg.. we are talking about a true legend here not some fast driver with some wins and championships.
Poeple talk about Makinen Sainz Mcrae Kankkunen Auriol ects but these compared to Loeb where nothing they were just normal fast drivers who completed the normal short circle of 5-6 years of any average champion in every motorsport.
? LOVE YOU MAN!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
I think it is clear to see why Loeb retired at the end of last season. He knew that the time of easy victories, against almost no competition, was at an end.
i am almost sure,he can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
so true!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
"normal fast drivers" - any driver achieved world championship title(s) is much more than that. Every one of them is great personality too, with its pros and cons. Of course there might be an exception out there, as any other rule. Don't forget Loeb too wanted to retire 3 years ago, which almost fits the profile you created.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
Ogier choosed to walk away.Loeb was present.We can say that Ogier walked away as he knew that Loeb had 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
thats some facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
Bigger budget
10 times more testing and rally kms
semiretired
2-2 rallies for both Sebs.
They compete a whole year,with Quesnel in Ogiers favour and lost fair and square.Next year walked away knowing that he compete 1 year with s2000.Loeb was present at wrc and won the championship.Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Just what part of "Loeb is the best ever" is not clear? :)
This was a great Rally with great live coverage. I doubt we all want to ask for more for this monumental ocasion. I wish that coverage in WRC for future, at least for some Rallies in the calendar for a start.
of course it would be harder the guy is 39 years old... name someone who won a championship so easy at 38 against 25 and 30 year olds...Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
I think Ogier would be faster than him next year easily... you cannot beat time...
But ok i can understand your pain... its different from those Ogier fans... your pain comes from a certain driver who was hired by citroen as No1 and ended but jobless in the USA doing tricks like a monkey in stadiums..and all because of Loeb...
As i said all these years Loeb gave many people different reasons to hate him... let the pain go away... just let go...
When you try and face the truth...the truth will slap you like a 5 year old and take away your candy.
you miss the point...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
every driver in motorsport has a career for around 15 years if he is lucky but from those years he has a learning curve then if he is lucky again he has 5-6 years where he is at best and he can win championships then there is a decline... ONLY LOEB managed to hold that peak for so long... of course in the latter years it was easy due to competition but he was the main reason that the competition was not there.
Yes the drivers of the old were great, as some of todays are, they do something extrordinary that simple folk cannot even conceive but as i said the perior they were great was short as any normal champion in motorsport.
its a matter of pride for some... if you come into my house and you kick me in the face it would be hard for me to accept you as the best ever... because everytime i look myself in the mirror i would be reminded of that moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Also ordinary People hate prefection... they like success because they can relate... everyone has small and big successes in life. but when it comes to perfection it is hard to accept that because none is perfect and you cannot relate... so you either hate them or accept the fact that some people are just perfect in what they do.
I agree Loeb is extraordinary, there cannot be doubt. Began his career so late and achieved so much, you must be special. But I don't agree to underestimate other drivers who have earned their titles in different eras, under different circumstances. Yes, Loeb is the top, but every driver in his time, and this year belong to Ogier, who helped his team to develop alot last year and deserved won the title this year, only by driving, without any handicap.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
http://www.wrc.com/news/rallye-de-franc ... &page=9054Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Sounds promising:
“The positive feedback from our TV partners and fans after the live broadcast of the Rally Finland in August and the large interest in the broadcast of the Rallye de France affirms our plan to provide regular live coverage of the WRC in the future. Plans are currently being made for the live broadcast of at least eight rallies in 2014"
i underestimate them when i compare them to Loeb not in general... as i said the driving skills of the top 5-10 rally drivers are hard to conceive.
that different era different circumnstances i do not agree with... the sport is the same, i see no reason why someone would not dominate in the 70s 80s 90s like Loeb did in the 00s
Ogier FULLY deserved the championship, it is not a matter if he deserved it or not it is a matter of how much it was worth...same as Loeb the first few championships were something amazing but the some of the latter ones arte not going to be memorable.
I am glad more and more people realise this. loeb is one coward and this time he fell in his own trap. he embarassed himself in the worst possible time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
BEST NEWS EVER...Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
overall the score this year is 2-2 with Ogier being younger, having a better car, far more testing and commitment... i cannot see why you want to diminish Ogiers title that much... i think it is still not worth much but not to the point you are going.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
You do not try to release the pain from your heart... that is a bit worrying i must say.... but it is still early so there is hope... i believe you can do it... when you are in distress about Loebs numbers just look at this picture.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Spo ... er-008.jpg
Wow, that sounds really great :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Do like the sound of that! :bounce: :bounce:Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I guess all we can do is spread the word about it and let every source that needs to know that we want it!
Yes, Loeb dominated in great company in his early titles, but later the competition was rather "weak". Which of course doesn't underestimate his abilities, but was easying him. For me the real heroes in Rallying are in Group B era, with all the challenges they were facing with the machinery. Some of them payd with their lives, R.I.P. Who can forget Mikkola's Ouninpohja's record in '85, Rohrl's Monte Carlo victories with different teams, Vatanen with all his wins and fights. For me the best of Loeb this year was Monte Carlo when he "got into the game" after first stage win of Ogier and his Pike Peak race, wow, just wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
I wonder how someone can get that much pleasure out of stating the same point over and over and over again. I really do.
It actually feels like a little kid imitating you, you know, like kids do. It's funny at first. Then it gets annoying, but the little kid still finds it funny.
i see it more like a tuition class, when the little ignorant kids have questions the master teacher must answer them...each and every one indivudually so they feel special in their little hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZQefbgd7rs
Take a notice of Ogier, Neuville & Ostberg