Watching the car live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
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Watching the car live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
The Mini didn't sound as loud as in Sardinia so i was a bit disappointed with that.
Maybe it was revving up more cos of the bumpy roads in Sardinia though...
I am yet to have this pleasure. I will need to wait till Rally NZ 2012. Do the youtube clips do it justice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I have some I took after his crash, want those?
I have some close ups after his crash, want those?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
You can't tell if a car is a couple of BHP down on power just by watching it :s So many people talk absolute sh it on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't try to force You to believe me. Take it easy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
It's not about comparing completely different cars. I agree that in such case it is virtually impossible to judge for example S2000 and gr.N car in peak power figures. But here the cars have basically same transmission, same weight and engine of same conception with same restrictor. Of course I agree that if there is a visual difference in performance, it's not just a couple of Hp...
Mathieu Arzeno tested today with the Mini.
I would tend to believe Merik with the cars being down on power. It does not make sense giving 2 new drivers to the car and a new car a rocket for an engine when they know they still have bugs to work out . I would think the big spec engine will come next year ...................hopefully.
Where did I read that BMW will take on a engine develop programme for the Mini´s WRC? If that will happen the car will surely not be down on power....Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
Maybe they could buy motors from Citroen; I bet they will fit. ;)
I don’t know how it’s with the engine development of MINI because they aren’t in the championship but for the two others (Ford / Citroen) it should be as it is until the end of the year.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...%202011_v2.pdf
page 47, 64.4 RESTRICTION OF ENGINE PARTS DEVELOPMENT
Probably they all can develop the engine but not apply the new developments until next year.
As can be seen by the homologations, Citroen and Ford has made several upgrades to the engine (three VOs and two ER for Citroen and four VOs and one ER for Ford) before 1.5.2011 compared to Mini with only one VO and one ER.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...21.07.2011.pdf
Citroen on page 15
Ford on page 26
Mini on page 6
Mini`s engine is beeing deweloped by BMW, and you can believe me, if somethings important for BMW, then it`s the engine, they have to have the best unit in the series. I think next year Mini might surprise few of us.
What's the meanning of VO and ER, please ?
Maybe the problem is they decided to start from production engine. Citroën went for specially built racing unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
VO is Variante Option - means it's an optional part, You can use it but it's not mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by traxx
ER is Erratum - means a part which replaces previously homologated one, this part is mandatory after a given time after homologation, usually one year (may be more on manufacturers request)
FIA rules say which part can be homologated as VO and which one must be ER.
How special is it? Is this a custom cast block or something that's strengthened? A custom created cylinder head? I would think every manufacturer would have their internals custom made or use known stronger bits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Although production unit called 1.6 THP is shared by BMW and PSA, only BMW used it for Mini WRC. PSA used this unit only for DS3 R3T and 207 R3T but for DS3 WRC they designed completely new engine where every part is purpose-built. I think the block is from alluminium but is not shared with production unit. Ford - like BMW - uses production-based engine 1.6 EcoBoost.
I might be wrong but if I remember correctly than only the cylinder block is from prod.unit on the Ford, cylinder head is completely custom made. I could be wrong though but this is what I heard/read somewhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It seems that the Fiesta's bodywork has changed in May, in June and in July, but I'm not able to find something different on shots during this period, do you know what kind of evolution it is ? It's also strange because the new transmission for Finland is not in the list...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
I stand corrected ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS
I thought that Mini's engine came from BMW touring car program????
Yes, the engine is shared for WRC and WTCC cars.
Sorry, I don’t have any information about that. Probably only information for insiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by traxx
Here’s the presentation of the DS3 WRC. At about 5:30 the engine is explained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5YF...layer_embedded
At 6:29 you can also see that the engine is run with full throttle (papillon 100%) at 7500 rpm.
This not looks for me as a standard cylinder head at about 00:10. Also at about 00:40 the cylinder block don’t look standard either. http://www.youtube.com/user/FordWRC?...45/GKx1s4QSuOM
That is it right there , seeing that you can design your own engine with a special block and head that is where the power and reliability is at . No need to use the stock engine with the limitations of that same engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
But they are/have pulling out of the WTCC (Privateer teams), and are currently using the 2.0L N/A engine. The 1.6L T will be in the M3 DTM car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Well then BMW has had a reliable engine in WTCC so I am going to hope that it will prove just as reliable in the WRC, with some alterations of course.
Don`t know what cylinder blocks you`ve been looking at previously but there it is on video, Citroen custom made block and Ford stock based block!Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Regarding the Mini ( this is the Mini topic...) than at Neste rally it was explained to me that BMW has intentionally made the engine in "supersafe mode" so that both BMW and Prodrive will get as much mileage as possible from the car without engine problems. This makes sence as they need the experience and also because everyone knows that for BMW the engine is just as someone previously said a question of honour and they really want to have the best one.
According to BMW there`s alot more to come from the engine so Prodrive shouldn`t worry about that.
It's a shame makers aren't required to use a stock block; some Subarus in the early-90s were ridiculously overbuilt.
FIA allowed purpose-build block to make manufacturers without stock 1.6T engine able to join WRC/WTCC.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...tml#post950716
Quesnel: "We've just made a new engine from nothing, we've never done it like this, so it was completely new for us. We didn't know how direct injection worked. I think the engine will be much better at the end of the year than it is now, but I can't tell you what will happen to Ford's engine. In the end, I'm sure they will be exactly the same."
He said: "In the end, they (Ford) will be exactly the same." :confused: I understand that the same engine is a custom made block and head (a 1.6 engine from nothing).
Almost everything wrong there. Most of the current WTCC BMW's are running with 1.6L turbo engine (320 TC). Just few cars with old 2.0L engine (320si). DTM will continue 2012 with 4.0L V8.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Good for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
LOL...
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
:D
You don't know how much I laughed.
A familiar story - all started with a laugh (LOL) to end up in tears.
Whoever laughs last - laughs best!
A new champion-star is rising :arrow: :champion:
Is Mini WRC's engine based on the same 1.6 mass-production model installed in Peugeot 308s and Citroen C4s?
Yes, PSA/BMW EP6DTS.