Rally History (part II)

72 Scottish
James("Jimmy") Rae (no connection with McRae)

I took this photo of Jimmy Rae on the 1972 Scottish Rally. Car is the Frew's of Perth Escort RS1600. In 1973, he won the BBC Wheelbase rally scholarship and the loan of an ex-works car for 1974 (the Mikkola 1973 RAC Rally car, OOO97M)

Dario lists Berg as co-driver for Ingvar Carlsson on 72 Scottish. In the entry list it is Ingemar Carlsson, so there must have been a late change.
Here is a photo I took of Carlsson on the Glenurquart Forest stage (this stage is behind Urquart Castle on the shore of Loch Ness, where people search for "The Loch Ness Monster"!)
Who was 4th? Adrian Boyd, RS1600?

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TAP 1972
7° Fiat / Thimonier Opel Ascona 1.8
8° MC. Beaumont / Giganot Opel Ascona 1.9 SR
9° Nunes / Morais Porsche 911
10° Khun / Kasselman Volvo 142 S

1000 Minuti
4° M. Verini / B. Scabini Fiat 124 Spider
5° Fischer / Tanzl Vw 1302 S
6° Bisek / Neverla Vw 1302 S
7° D. Tominz / Mamolo Fiat 124 Spider
8° Dietmayer / Schurek BMW 2002 Ti
9° G. Fischer / H. Siebert Vw 1302 S
10° May / Mkes BMW 2002 TIi

Besta Regards
Dario

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Dario, many thanks.

Regards,
Piet

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Originally Posted by FAL

Dario lists Berg as co-driver for Ingvar Carlsson on 72 Scottish. In the entry list it is Ingemar Carlsson, so there must have been a late change.
Here is a photo I took of Carlsson on the Glenurquart Forest stage (this stage is behind Urquart Castle on the shore of Loch Ness, where people search for "The Loch Ness Monster"!)
Who was 4th? Adrian Boyd, RS1600?

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Anders Kullang and G. Phillip with an Opel Ascona.

Regards,
Piet

Thanks.
(Geraint "Gerry" Philips was then Rallies Editor of "Motoring News")

Would like to know the winner of the Manufacturer Team Prize on the 1973 Scottish International rally. Also want to know the names of drivers & co-drivers within this team. Can anyone help?

nca.

Ingemar and Ingvar is a very common mix-up even for swedes...

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

Would like to know the winner of the Manufacturer Team Prize on the 1973 Scottish International rally. Also want to know the names of drivers & co-drivers within this team. Can anyone help?
nca.

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Definitely didn't include me - we retired with broken steering, balanced on the edge of a large drop on High Lock Eck. Pretty sure they were in Escorts - the first 10 finishers were!
Sorry, don't have results (but have entry list).

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Originally Posted by Magnus

Ingemar and Ingvar is a very common mix-up even for swedes...

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Ingvar Carlsson/Ingemar Carlsson appear in the entry list as driver/co-driver but the result listed above says co-driver was Berg so it's a late change of co-driver if correct rather than confusion over names?
Inglehof (correct spelling?) has caused confusion on UK entry lists also!

Ingvar and Ingemar are brothers and they run together on the 72 Scottish rally. 'Motoring News' dixit ...

Regards
jorge

FAL,

Thanks for your info'
Would you please have a look at that entry list for a Tom Flett or Fleck.
Not quite sure which one is correct. Believe he was a co-driver on this event
(1973 Scottish)

nca

Can't see any name like Flett or Fleck as either driver or co-driver. There are a couple of cars in the official programme with co-drivers to be named.

So, the mention of "Berg" as Carlsson's co-driver on 72 Scottish above was incorrect?

FAL
Thanks very much for your prompt reply.
I was speaking with a bloke this weekend who claimed to have been in the team that won the Manufacturers team prize. Perhaps I misunderstood the year, but there again, I cannot remember a name like that, as a leading co-driver.

nca

Hello,

I'm collecting picture folder about Rally of the 1000 Lakes (in Finland) fron 1970's. I have done entry list from every year and now I'm seeking pictures about competirors cars. I would be very happy, if somebody could help me to find prohos of these cars:

- 1973 #3 Kinnunen, Porsche Carrera RS, #6 Mehta Datsun 240Z
- 1974 #5 Kinnunen Fiat 124
-1975 #3 Alen Datsun, #4 Mäkinen Ford Escort, #11 Vatanen Ford
-1976 #2 Blomqvist Saab99, #6 Eklund Saab 99, n#9 Vatanen Ford
-1977 #3 Blomqvist Saab99, #5 Lampinen Saab99, #7 Mikkola toyota, #10 Kinnuen Porsche
-1978 #2 eklund Porsche, #21 Toivonen porsche Carrera (that would be the best!!!=

makka

Hi all


For a history of Rallye Quattro, we search for further informations.
cars..... events .
Any informations are welcome.

think here are so many from you how know a lot about the good old Times. :D

So big thanks for them who take a look ...... and hopefully can help

http://www.iceracing.de/rally/


Stefanie

I would like to know all the possible information concerning the results of the special stages of Swedish rally of the year 1963-64-65-67-68-69-70-72-77 .
In any type of format ( table, copyscan , ecc )
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Dario

Back to the Rally Ireland: No75 - George Tracey drove Focus or 206 WRC? It varies in different sources.
Regards
Janusz

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Originally Posted by januszsz

Back to the Rally Ireland: No75 - George Tracey drove Focus or 206 WRC? It varies in different sources.
Regards
Janusz

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Focus Y3 FMC

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Originally Posted by c4

Focus Y3 FMC

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Thank you C4
Janusz

Do any of you have detailed results for the RAC rallies of '52, '53, '54,'55 &'56?

I am particularly interested in any Morgans that finished the rally in that period, and what if any prizes they may have taken.

I am also interested in any information regarding a special bodied Morgan, prepared for and driven by a Roger Harper, at this time. UK registration VNO 600. Harper had previously rallied a Ferrari Inter, and the Special Morgan was very similar in appearance.

Any information gratefully recived.

nca.

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

Do any of you have detailed results for the RAC rallies of '52, '53, '54,'55 &'56?

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If anybody is looking at the entry list/results for that era I would be interested in any information on my uncle John Liddle who I believe navigated on the RAC several times at about that time (probably with a Mr Ripley from somewhere in Yorkshire).

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Originally Posted by Martin Liddle

If anybody is looking at the entry list/results for that era I would be interested in any information on my uncle John Liddle who I believe navigated on the RAC several times at about that time (probably with a Mr Ripley from somewhere in Yorkshire).

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I didn't find your uncle, but I found certain H.Ripley on two occasions.
1952 RAC 34th, class 2 (closed - 2500) / 12th H. Ripley GB No 214 Ford
1954 RAC 139th, no class result, H. Ripley GB No 101 Ford

No information on co-driver - maybe it was John Liddle, who knows?
By the way, do you know the first name of Mr Ripley?
Regards
Janusz

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

Do any of you have detailed results for the RAC rallies of '52, '53, '54,'55 &'56?

I am particularly interested in any Morgans that finished the rally in that period, and what if any prizes they may have taken.

I am also interested in any information regarding a special bodied Morgan, prepared for and driven by a Roger Harper, at this time. UK registration VNO 600. Harper had previously rallied a Ferrari Inter, and the Special Morgan was very similar in appearance.

Any information gratefully recived.

nca.

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I couldn't find Roger Harper, but found several Morgans:
1951 RAC 2nd cl.open +1500/2nd Peter Morgan GB Morgan Plus 4
1951 RAC 3rd cl.open +1500/3rd George Goodall GB Morgan Plus 4
1952 RAC 5th cl.1(open cars)/5th Peter Reece GB No126 Morgan
1952 RAC 6th cl.1(open cars)/6th Peter Morgan GB No137 Morgan Plus 4
1952 RAC 10th cl.1(open cars)/10th Ken Bancroft GB No154 Morgan
1952 RAC 11th cl.1(open cars)/11th George Goodall GB No136 Morgan
1952 RAC 13th cl.1(open cars)/13th Jimmy Ray GB No206 Morgan
1952 RAC 40th cl.1(open cars)/18th D.S. Done GB No127 Morgan
1952 RAC 42nd cl.1(open cars)/=19th W.D. Steel GB No128? Morgan
1952 RAC 63rd cl.1(open cars)/37th Robert Dickson GB No128? Morgan
1952 RAC 76th cl.1(open cars)/39th D.W. Price GB No65 Morgan
1953 RAC 22nd Sports cars+1500/10th G.M. White GB D.H. Evans GB Morgan Plus 4
1953 RAC 24th Sports cars+1500/11th A.D.C. Gordon/Paul Steiner GB Morgan Plus 4
1953 RAC 49th Sports cars+1500/19th Ms A.I.C. Neil/Ms C.M.S. Neil GB Morgan Plus 4
1953 RAC 58th Sports cars+1500/22nd Peter Morgan/Mrs J.D. Morgan GB Morgan Plus 4
1953 RAC 76th Sports cars+1500/27th J. Rodley/R. Castle GB Morgan Plus 4
1954 RAC 7th Jimmy Ray/Mrs K.D. Ray GB No169 Morgan
1954 RAC 8th Alex Newsham/A.Beaumont GB No7 Morgan
1954 RAC 42nd George Goodall/A.T. Hall GB No180 Morgan
1954 RAC 51st Peter Morgan GB No182 Morgan
1954 RAC 61st H. Denton GB No240 Morgan
1954 RAC 132nd Dr John T. Spare GB No236 Morgan
1956 RAC 3rd Sports Cars+1600/1st Dr John T. Spare/M.H. Meredith GB 33 Morgan Plus 4
1956 RAC ? Sports Cars+1600/3rd A.L. Yarranton/D.E.J. Thompson GB Morgan Plus 4
1958 RAC ? GT-2000/1st A.L. Yarranton/J.P. Taylor GB No100 Morgan
1958 RAC ? GT-2000/2nd George Goodall/J. Thomas GB No101 Morgan
1958 RAC ? GT-2000/3rd R. Grant/J.L. Darwent GB No12 Morgan
1959 RAC 6th Peter Morgan/D.E.J. Thompson GB No16 Morgan Plus 4
1959 RAC 38th Brian Harper/Ron Crellin GB No19 Morgan
1959 RAC 45th Pauline Mayman/Daphne Freeman GB No26 Morgan Plus 4
Does anybody can fill the names?
Regards
Janusz

Januszsz,

Many thanks for your detailed reply, which gives me plenty to study.
Very interesting to see names such as Ron Crellin, and Pauline Mayman, whom I had not associated with Morgans.

May I ask if your source for this information is on-line?

NCA

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Originally Posted by januszsz

By the way, do you know the first name of Mr Ripley?

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Thanks that is interesting. I know there are some press cuttings in the family archive which may include Mr Ripley's first name; I'll ask my brother to dig them out when I see him next .

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

Januszsz,

Many thanks for your detailed reply, which gives me plenty to study.
Very interesting to see names such as Ron Crellin, and Pauline Mayman, whom I had not associated with Morgans.

May I ask if your source for this information is on-line?

NCA

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Unfortunately it's not on line. I found it in the RAC Rally 1951-1959 (Transport Source Books) a booklet compiled of the British motoring magazines' xero-copies.

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

I am also interested in any information regarding a special bodied Morgan, prepared for and driven by a Roger Harper, at this time. UK registration VNO 600. Harper had previously rallied a Ferrari Inter, and the Special Morgan was very similar in appearance.

Any information gratefully recived.

nca.

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This particular Morgan competed in the '53 Tulip Rally in the hands of Clarkson and Grant. There's a couple of small pics in the May 8th issue of Autosport.

RiN

RiN,

Thanks for that additional piece of information.It all helps to buid up the picture. My Autosport collection does not go back as far as '53. Do you know if they finished and in what position?.

regards : nca.


Regards : nca,

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Originally Posted by Neil Andrew

RiN,

Thanks for that additional piece of information.It all helps to buid up the picture. My Autosport collection does not go back as far as '53. Do you know if they finished and in what position?.
regards : nca.
Regards : nca,

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According to Autocar (May 8th 1953):
"The Clarkson/Grant Morgan burst its radiator header tank in the Alsatian village of Friedland and was retired."
Regards
Janusz

Hello to all,
I would like to know this results of Acropolis Rally :
1975 11° to 17°
1976 11° to 30°
1979 11° to 20°
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario

Hello.
Someone can give me information respect the 1969 Pneumant Rally: date, info and classification first 5?
Thanks, Ciccio
:)

Hello.
Someone can give me information respect the 1969 Pneumant Rally: date, info and classification first 5?
Thanks, Ciccio :)

Hello.
Someone can give me information respect the 1969 PNEUMANT Rally: date, info and classification first 5?
Thanks, Ciccio

Hello.
Someone can give me information about teh PNEUMANT Rally 1969 : date, infos, classification first 5 ?
Thanks, Ciccio. ;)

Does anyone have an entry list (not results) for the 1967 Tulip Rally?

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Originally Posted by ciccio

Hello.
Someone can give me information about teh PNEUMANT Rally 1969 : date, infos, classification first 5 ?
Thanks, Ciccio. ;)

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Just only that:
9th Pneumant Rallye 27th-30th of March 1969
Winners:
Pauli Toivonen / Martti Tiukkanen -FIN- Porsche 911T

Regards
Janusz

Thanks Janusz,
source Autosprint n.19 1969 j have:
DDR Rally-East Germany
1.Culmacher-Strelhow (Wartburg)
2.Syberg-Ibersen (Opel)
3.Asmus-Piheler (Trabant)
I think that DDR Rally 1969 and 9th. PNEUMANT Rallye 27th-30th of March 1969 are the SAME THING
and what Pauli Toivonen / Martti Tiukkanen - FIN - Porsche 911T are the winners of the DDR Rallye 1968.
Wath you think about?

Regards,
Ciccio :)

Thanks, Janusz
Source Autosprint n.19 1969 j have:

DDR Rally-East Germany
1.Culmacher-Strelhow (Wartburg)
2.Syberg-Ibersen (Opel)
3.Asmus-Piheler (Trabant)

I think that DDR Rally 1969 and 9th. PNEUMANT Rallye 27th-30th of March 1969 are the SAME THING and what Pauli Toivonen / Martti Tiukkanen - FIN - Porsche 911T are the winners of the DDR Rallye 1968.
Wath you think about?

Regards,
Ciccio :)