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9th September 2007, 18:34
sanguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by heelntoe

Sanguin, there is no link and frankly, I don't need to provide one...I was in business with OWRS/CCWS when most of the deals that are in effect today were negotiated...

So nothing then,just as I thought.

PS, I don't believe for one minute that you know all the deals in CC.
we're not that gullible.

I'm just a fan.
9th September 2007, 18:41
tbyars

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanguin

CC financials are private but KK did tell us CCWS does not pay subsidies to the teams.

We also know that KK does not always tell the truth, based on how he has to respond to the situation. Case in point, last weekend at the news conference, KK said none of the owners had spoken to TG in a year.

That is a lie.

By his own statements, KK had previously said that he talked with TG in February about Honda provding engines so a few CC teams could run at Indy. "But I was serious." were KK's own words.

So he lied.

What makes you think he is not lying about offereing subsidies to teams?
9th September 2007, 18:44
tbyars

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanguin

So nothing then,just as I thought.

PS, I don't believe for one minute that you know all the deals in CC.
we're not that gullible.

I'm just a fan.

Who is "we're"?

Time and time again, heelntoe has proven his credibility.

What's your record of credibility? If you are who I think you are, let's go all the way back to the CART stock days.
9th September 2007, 18:45
sanguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbyars

We also know that KK does not always tell the truth, based on how he has to respond to the situation. Case in point, last weekend at the news conference, KK said none of the owners had spoken to TG in a year.

That is a lie.

By his own statements, KK had previously said that he talked with TG in February about Honda provding engines so a few CC teams could run at Indy. "But I was serious." were KK's own words.

So he lied.

What makes you think he is not lying about offereing subsidies to teams?

Are you really serious with that crap? :rolleyes:

Ask the teams,really.
9th September 2007, 18:45
heelntoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanguin

So nothing then,just as I thought.

PS, I don't believe for one minute that you know all the deals in CC.
we're not that gullible.

I'm just a fan.

As I expected, you don't know one of the most key players in the design of the CART acquisition AND the original AND current CCWS business models...and the man who oversees the financials! Now everyone on this forum can be rest assured that they are too not so gullible as to believe a single post you have provided. Your spin is OVER and I am happily off to the tennis finals knowing that CCWS could not have been so dim as to hire someone with no knowledge...IMO, of course!
9th September 2007, 18:45
Jag_Warrior

Heelntoe, is Jim Cox the current COO or corporate counsel? If not, then I would say that while he might have a better idea of what's currently going on, he likely doesn't know exactly what's going on either.

I am no where near the league that the principals of CCWS (or the IRL) occupy. And for the past 20+ years, even I have put together entities that angry ex-wives and their attorneys couldn't crack into. Only if someone, who sees the books of a private entity, decides to share that financial information (and they are honest about it), would you (truly) know. If that's not the case, you will not, and do not know. This isn't rocket science. I'm not sure why people have such an issue with it.

This isn't a slap at you (or Sanguin). I have no dog in this pointless pi$$ing match. But to put it bluntly, neither of you knows for a fact whether the entity known as "Champ Car" makes or loses money.
9th September 2007, 18:47
sanguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbyars

Who is "we're"?

Time and time again, heelntoe has proven his credibility.

.

Not to me he hasn't. There's no proof of anything he says about himself and about this series.
9th September 2007, 18:49
sanguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Heelntoe, is Jim Cox the current COO or corporate counsel? If not, then I would say that while he might have a better idea of what's currently going on, he likely doesn't know exactly what's going on either.

I am no where near the league that the principals of CCWS (or the IRL) occupy. And for the past 20+ years, even I have put together entities that angry ex-wives and their attorneys couldn't crack into. Only if someone, who sees the books of a private entity, decides to share that financial information (and they are honest about it), would you (truly) know. If that's not the case, you will not, and do not know. This isn't rocket science. I'm not sure why people have such an issue with it.

This isn't a slap at you (or Sanguin). I have no dog in this pointless pi$$ing match. But to put it bluntly, neither of you knows for a fact whether the entity known as "Champ Car" makes or loses money.

JAG, I agree. thanks.
9th September 2007, 18:49
tbyars

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanguin

Are you really serious with that crap? :rolleyes:

Ask the teams,really.

Yes, I am.

KK was quoted by several sources that he talked to TG in February about Indy. You can't just throw away those quotes because you don't like them.

Then, last weekend he said he hadn't talked to TG for a year.

Obviously, he lied.

Sorry, you can't dispute that.

KK lies. I just proved it. Prove that he didn't lie about the subsidies.
9th September 2007, 18:51
Jag_Warrior

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbyars

We also know that KK does not always tell the truth, based on how he has to respond to the situation. Case in point, last weekend at the news conference, KK said none of the owners had spoken to TG in a year.

That is a lie.

If that's what he had said, yes it would be a lie. But that's not what he said.

I also do not think that Kalkhoven always tells the truth. But you need a better example to prove the point.

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