Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by f1rocks

The 500 pages contain:

- construction drawings and data of the F2007;
- details of the internal structures and workflows in Maranello;
- information on the main engineers;
- data on car setups;
- race strategies;
- preparation of the cars;
- development plans for the future;
- quality control standards;
- testing results.

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IF it's true...

I've got questions.
Do You think that Ferrari or any other team, don't have such informations about their rivals?
Do You think mechanics and engineers aren't talking about above with each other?
Do You think teams are not passing fake informations to the others?
Do You think teams don't have narks in other teams?

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Originally Posted by ojciec dyrektor

IF it's true...

I've got questions.
Do You think that Ferrari or any other team, don't have such informations about their rivals?
Do You think mechanics and engineers aren't talking about above with each other?
Do You think teams are not passing fake informations to the others?
Do You think teams don't have narks in other teams?

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1. yes, because it's definitely not THAT detailed!!!! you're talking 500 pages here
2. talk? this is some serious **** here, its their jobs on the line!!!
3. that's kinda childish if it was done this way, they surely try to hide stuff but not pass fake information in THIS way to other teams.
4. they could, but what's your point? now their caught!


I don't see why people are trying to prove that this is normal!! ok, I agree that rivals try to get info from other teams but once they're caught with a proof then it's all over, and they have to get punished

again.. I'm not a Ferrari fan, I'm actually a McLaren fan and I'm from Bahrain (which owns 35% of the team), but still... what's wrong is wrong

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Originally Posted by janneppi

They'd have a tough time trying to prove McLaren bosses knew or took advantage of these alledged files.
old saying about Laughing out of court comes to mind. :)

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Well the top designer was the one getting the files, so half of it, at least, is already proved.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well the top designer was the one getting the files, so half of it, at least, is already proved.

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half proved - another innovative law concept

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well the top designer was the one getting the files, so half of it, at least, is already proved.

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Allegedly! :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well the top designer was the one getting the files, so half of it, at least, is already proved.

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This is even more fishy than it smells. The top designer of one team gets lotsa stuff from the top guy in Ferrari who wants to leave. Could it be that the two want to get together in another team for next year and use the designs they have alledgedly obtained for the new team's car next year?
That's what I think.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

This is even more fishy than it smells. The top designer of one team gets lotsa stuff from the top guy in Ferrari who wants to leave. Could it be that the two want to get together in another team for next year and use the designs they have alledgedly obtained for the new team's car next year?
That's what I think.

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That would be the best defense McLaren could potentially use. Otherwise, I can't imagine the team could walk away by claiming that the espionage act is out of a top designer's personal interest.

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Originally Posted by kalasend

That would be the best defense McLaren could potentially use. Otherwise, I can't imagine the team could walk away by claiming that the espionage act is out of a top designer's personal interest.

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Well, it IS out of Ferrari's top guy's interest (allegedly). Ferrari's latest statement yesterday only stated that another guy in McLaren MIGHT be in possession of said plans and the English police, so far, have not been involved.

The way I see it, the information would be of far greater use to someone designing next year's new car than trying to alter this year's design.

Here's a summary of the whole saga to date in autosport for anyone who has not fully followed this case from the start.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60467

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well the top designer was the one getting the files, so half of it, at least, is already proved.

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MacLaren has three chief designers, one is responsible for the current car, one is responsible for the next year's car, Mike Coughlan isn't either of them, apparently he's responsible for external team relationships. ;)