I'm still waiting for an answer to why guns shouldn't be allowed in schools .
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I'm still waiting for an answer to why guns shouldn't be allowed in schools .
I think they are allowed in ArizonaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
That's because the federal forces are not large enough to sustain long engagements or multiple theater actions by themselves. The state national guards and reserves are rotated into combat areas as needed. There have been multiple deployments of them in all recent military actions - Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. - going back to Korea and WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
Is this true?
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Yes. It happened at Dunblaine Primary School.
And yes the Firearms (Amendment) Acts were passed in 1997.
Every other statement in that blurb is also true.
The point is that the UK acted on this, which is something I can pretty well guarantee will not happen in the US.
Dead children is an acceptable price for "freedom" in America.
I've been going through many of the posts on this thread. I think everyone needs to take a step back and reconsider what this topic is all about.
We are supposed to be discussing the massacre of 20 innocent infants and 7 adults. Hurling masked insults at each other is not conducive toa sensible discussion on such a tragic event.
well while we are having this discussion lets at least balance out the history: Now I have not checked on bombings but will probably do that as well.
April 1982 - SOUTH KOREA - Police officer Woo Bum Kong went on a drunken rampage in Sang-Namdo with rifles and hand grenades, killing 57 people and wounding 38 before blowing himself up.
August 19, 1987 - BRITAIN - Michael Ryan, a 27-year-old gun fanatic rampaged through the English town of Hungerford, killing 16 people and wounding 11 before shooting himself.
July 1989 - FRANCE - A French farmer shot and killed 14 people including members of his family in the village of Luxiol, near the Swiss border. He was wounded and captured by police.
December 1989 - CANADA - A 25-year-old war movie fan with a grudge against women shot dead 14 young women at the University of Montreal, then killed himself.
November 1990 - NEW ZEALAND - A gun-mad loner killed 11 men, women and children in a 24-hour rampage in the tiny New Zealand seaside village of Aramoana. He was killed by police.
September 1995 - FRANCE - A 16-year-old youth ran amok with a rifle in the town of Cuers, killing 16 people and then himself after an argument with his parents.
March 13, 1996 - BRITAIN - Gunman Thomas Hamilton burst into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot dead 16 children and their teacher before killing himself.
April 28, 1996 - AUSTRALIA - Martin Bryant unleashed modern Australia's worst mass murder when he shot dead 35 people at the Port Arthur tourist site in the southern state of Tasmania.
April 1999 - USA - Two heavily-armed teenagers went on a rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Denver, shooting 13 students and staff before taking their own lives.
July 1999 - USA - A gunman killed nine people at two brokerages in Atlanta, after apparently killing his wife and two children. He committed suicide five hours later.
June 2001 - NEPAL - Eight members of the Nepalese Royal family were killed in a palace massacre by Crown Prince Dipendra who later turned a gun on himself and died few days later. His youngest brother also died later raising the death toll to 10.
April 26, 2002 - GERMANY - In Erfurt, eastern Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhauser opened fire after saying he was not going to take a math test. He killed 12 teachers, a secretary, two pupils and a policeman at the Gutenberg Gymnasium, before killing himself.
October 2002 - USA - John Muhammad and Lee Malvo killed 10 people in sniper-style shooting deaths that terrorized the Washington, D.C., area.
April 16, 2007 - USA - Virginia Tech, a university in Blacksburg, Virginia, became the site of the deadliest rampage in U.S. history when a gunman killed 32 people and himself.
November 7, 2007 - FINLAND - Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed six fellow students, the school nurse and the principal and himself with a handgun at the Jokela High School near Helsinki.
September 23, 2008 - FINLAND - Student Matti Saari opened fire in a vocational school in Kauhajoki in northwest Finland, killing nine other students and one male staff member before killing himself.
March 11, 2009 - GERMANY - A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black combat gear killed nine students and three teachers at a school near Stuttgart. He also killed one other person at a nearby clinic. He was later killed in a shoot-out with police. Two additional passers-by were killed and two policemen seriously injured, bringing the death toll to 16 including the gunman.
June 2, 2010 - BRITAIN - Gunman Derrick Bird opened fire on people in towns across the rural county of Cumbria. Twelve people were killed and 11 injured. Bird also killed himself.
August 30, 2010 - SLOVAKIA - A gunman shot dead six members of a Roma family and another woman in the Slovak capital Bratislava before killing himself. Fourteen more people were wounded.
April 9, 2011 - NETHERLANDS - Tristan van der Vlis opened fire in the Ridderhof mall in Alphen aan den Rijn, south of Amsterdam, killing six before turning the gun on himself.
July 22, 2011 - NORWAY - Police seize a gunman who killed at least 68 people at a youth summer camp of Norway's ruling political party, on the small, holiday island of Utoeya. Anders Behring Breivik is later charged with the killings, as well as with an earlier bombing in the center of Oslo which killed at least eight people. He appears in a closed court hearing in Oslo on July 25 and is ordered detained for eight weeks in solitary confinement.
You can cut and paste lists of atrocities until the cows come home, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't do something. Nobody is deluded enough to suggest a ban or a restriction on gun ownership would suddenly eradicate all shootings, but it would certainly reduce them over time and surely that's worth it. There will of course be those who ignore the law and get hold of guns or explosives somehow, that's a given, but maintaining the status quo helps nobody.
I heard Obama's words, particularly "we must change", but I don't hold out much hope.
Australia almost immediately set about removing all automatic and semi-automatic weapons because of this. The net result? In 2011 the total number of people killed with guns was 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Australia went from a place that was 11 times safer than the United States on a per capita basis to 25 times safer than the United States on a per capita basis.
Australia took appropriate action and dealt with the issue. The United States on the other hand is too childish to do so.
If we are comparing there have been 3 multi person public shootings in a couple of weeks in the states, one in a shopping centre, one hospital and now the school. Mercifully the 1st 2 "only" killed a few people, but the shopping centre 1 had the potential to be far worse (IIRC the assault weapon he was using jammed). I believe I also read there have been 12 mass shootings in the USA this year, although I'm not sure of the criteria to qualify as a mass shooting.
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