Rally Deutschland 2012

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttCXA...layer_embedded

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Originally Posted by dimviii

rims and most brakes used at grN are lighter from oem.Competition wheel studs are much stronger than oem too.
Fuchs hit the sidewalk with his rim,at this occasion no 2mm bigger studs wouldn t prevent the wheel to broke.

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Agree that tarmac wheels are probably lighter designed lighter, but compared to what? When we say OEM, tarmac stuff is usually bigger in diameter and width so maybe that's about even, but brakes, I'm not too sure..
I make a gravel kit for Sierra which matches original all iron disc but it is 233mm x 32:

That's US spec OEM, my disc and hat and 4wd OEM Cosworth--or "Group N"
http://rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/gal/X...g_Brakes15.JPG

Same kit installed, and my suspension too
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...sandstruts.jpg




But tarmac is typically at least 13" or 330mm at least and I'm doing 1 kit for some crazy guy that size and those discs are heavy.
Its clear tarmac stuff is much lighter, but then again they're not supposed to hit things....
Too bad they do.. like Fuchs..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

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Originally Posted by BleAivano

Now here is a proper rally car with maestro himself:

https://twitter.com/RamonaRallying/s...95437513654272









Fortunately it is not the car this time, only the grass. Car is fine.

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Yeah low car and red hot kat makes for exciting result...

And cool to see Mästern with an Audi again.
Man I'd love to get a copy of his book....(hint hint)

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

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It was largely discussed here on forum and the conclusion is that yes, asphalt is much more dangerous for many various reasons.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Agree that tarmac wheels are probably lighter designed lighter, but compared to what? When we say OEM, tarmac stuff is usually bigger in diameter and width so maybe that's about even, but brakes, I'm not too sure..

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Jan i compare a rally rim/disc+hat +caliper with oem ones.When i say oem i mean from exactly the same model.
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evo 9 has as oem a 8x17 rim with 235-45-17 tyre. Oem brake is 320x32 but not with rotors with seperate hats.
At gr N the homologated rims are 8x18 and most of them while they are bigger(18'' instead of 17'') are lighter.Only Braid is heavier than oem rim.All the other serious rims are lighter.
About brakes the homologated ones are 355 x32(a lot bigger from oem) but the disc is not one piece as oem,with very light hatAlso the caliper is very light(titanium pots!!) and small dimensions compare with oem ones.Once i put them in scales and where lighter,but can t remember by how many grams.

Now if we talk about evo x(or sti <2007 if you like) with oem brakes at 350x32 and 8,5x18 as oem rims you can see that in this occasion the rally rim-brake combo will be much lighter.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Too bad they do.. like Fuchs..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

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Always was like this unfortunately.Haven t see any statistics,but from memory if we could measure last 10-20? years imho would be something like 70-30 or 80-20.

Hello,

pictures of today are online at rally3.de
http://www.rally3.de/components/com_...2008400550.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_...1337203238.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_...1927271869.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_...1392227656.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_...1393050252.jpg


Karsten

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Jan i compare a rally rim/disc+hat +caliper with oem ones.When i say oem i mean from exactly the same model.
ie.
evo 9 has as oem a 8x17 rim with 235-45-17 tyre. Oem brake is 320x32 but not with rotors with seperate hats.
At gr N the homologated rims are 8x18 and most of them while they are bigger(18'' instead of 17'') are lighter.Only Braid is heavier than oem rim.All the other serious rims are lighter.
About brakes the homologated ones are 355 x32(a lot bigger from oem) but the disc is not one piece as oem,with very light hatAlso the caliper is very light(titanium pots!!) and small dimensions compare with oem ones.Once i put them in scales and where lighter,but can t remember by how many grams.

Now if we talk about evo x(or sti <2007 if you like) with oem brakes at 350x32 and 8,5x18 as oem rims you can see that in this occasion the rally rim-brake combo will be much lighter.



Always was like this unfortunately.Haven t see any statistics,but from memory if we could measure last 10-20? years imho would be something like 70-30 or 80-20.

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OK you're talking big nasty Evo.. But I was thinking like a little stinkin' Fiesta or Citra road car with who knows what for discs.

And again the calipers like I use for us clubbie guys in USA are a couple or more of kg lighter , real tarmac stuff is BIG like OMG :eek: big, and its I'm sure a bit lighter but not certain its a giant difference. (pssssst we better be careful, this is interesting but it might be edging toward the bright red line marked "Pub Talk" and we might our wieners spanked :uhoh: by my distant cousin countryman who imigrated to same place I did...and is even named same as I..)

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

(pssssst we better be careful, this is interesting but it might be edging toward the bright red line marked "Pub Talk" and we might our wieners spanked :uhoh: by my distant cousin countryman who imigrated to same place I did...and is even named same as I..)

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:vader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHdj79VbAE&feature=player_embedded