Toyota announces WRC plans

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Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

OK, sorry for the delay in posting this - I bought the August copy of Best Car about 3 weeks ago! I will re-read it (with a dictionary beside me) to double check but here are the main points of what it said about Toyota. The four pages included a pic of a 4cyl. 1.6l engine on a dyno wth caption saying '340ps with 33mm restrictor, 1000hors of test running'. Parts of the article read like an interview with TMG President, Mr Ki no sh ita. There is mention that the first step to a WRC car will be the completion of an R5 Yaris customer car, which will easily be convertible to a 2014-spec WRCar. The R5 car will start testing in October. Homologation is currently scheduled for summer next year and rally debut is slated for 2014 Monte Carlo.

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I think you mean RRC, as Toyota is planning a Yaris RRC and then a WRC.

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Originally Posted by rv65

I think you mean RRC, as Toyota is planning a Yaris RRC and then a WRC.

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There's no RRC class, R5 class for future rally cars.

He means S2000 1.6T which under current rules is same homologation as the WRC and therefore must be homologated together with WRC.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

He means S2000 1.6T which under current rules is same homologation as the WRC and therefore must be homologated together with WRC.

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Yes Mirek, I understand that, but like you mentioned in another thread that RRC as a category doesn't exist. It is just a name that Ford gave their Fiesta S2000 1.6T project.
But I also understand that S2000, S2000 1.6T, RRC, Super Production etc is hard to follow.
But R5 is supposed to be the next "real deal", right? At least I wish it could save the national classes.

How would it even be possible to "easily convert" an R5 to a WRC? R5s are not S2000-based ...

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Originally Posted by cali

But R5 is supposed to be the next "real deal", right? At least I wish it could save the national classes.

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As far as I understand the R5 is not intended to play some significant role in WRC events. WRC cars will stay and together with them probably also the S2000 1.6T (unless they change the regulations to allow WRC being build also from the R5 - I don't say it's impossible). So the S2000, S2000 1.6T and the R5 will a least for some time co-exist in the regional/national championships.

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Originally Posted by cali

There's no RRC class, R5 class for future rally cars.

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That’s true. There’s no such class as RRC or Super Production. The class for these cars is class 2, (S2000-Rally: 1.6T engine with a 30mm restrictor, S2000-Rally: 2.0 NA engine and group R4 , N4 with an enhanced suspension.)

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Originally Posted by kober

How would it even be possible to "easily convert" an R5 to a WRC? R5s are not S2000-based ...

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I would said the R5 is a lot based on S2000 as the current WRC cars are, exept for engine regulations and transmission regulatios (6 gear gearbox for S2000 and WRC compared to 5 gear grearbox for R5). I believe it could be possible.

The mesurments of the body shell is the same for a R5, WRC and S2000 car (and a RRC car, class 2 car). If the attachments points are the same for suspension, engine, gearbox etc. I belive it wouldn’t be so difficult to replace the parts from a R5 to WRC specifiction parts.

Yeah, but if you replace every single attachable piece of the car, leaving only the shell, it's not that far from building from a scratch - all those parts would need to be separately developed. But yes, there's a potential for some saving for the manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by OldF

I would said the R5 is a lot based on S2000 as the current WRC cars are, exept for engine regulations and transmission regulatios (6 gear gearbox for S2000 and WRC compared to 5 gear grearbox for R5). I believe it could be possible.

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Similar is been done this year from WRC to RRC - as it've planned in the regulations. I don't know the details, but these are the same chassis.