Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by Somebody

Joe Saward's saying that US$100k is the maximum monetary fine the stewards can impose: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...errari-guilty/

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I thought Ferrari were fined 1 million for the 2002 Austria grand prix.? if i remember correctly.

Yet again Alonso is involved in 5h!t. No surprise there, the guy is a bad apple.

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Great comment

Strangely if the Team Orders present today was Ferrari telling Alonso to hold position and not try to pass the slower Massa, nobody would be up at arms!!!

The way I see it, Vettel managed to finish less then 2 seconds behind, which means it would be dumb to have Alonso stay behind Massa, and would be better if the 2 Ferraris to refrain from have a serious on track battle for position with Vettel in a position to take advantage.

I haven't read ferrari's whole race transcript to know whether Massa was given the opportunity to pick up the pace prior to being told Alonso was faster.

I also like how everyone is getting on Alonso for his "ridiculous" comment when he was just as liking commenting on the traffic as he was about massa holding him up... After todays race his "How is Massa? " question gained him some respect in my books...

I'll just assume this board is just right full of McLeran fan's who where hoping for a repeat of Turkey, but in Ferrari colors.

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Everything is hypothetical.

The only question should be:
Would Alonso have overtaken Massa without team orders?

After all we are talking about racing here not time trials.

Why would Massa drive faster after the team orders if he didn't need to do it anymore? He did just what was needed preserve that crappy 2nd place. I for one would have driven directly in the pits and broken Stefano's gob live on TV.

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Originally Posted by Daika

I thought Ferrari were fined 1 million for the 2002 Austria grand prix.? if i remember correctly.

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It was allegedly because MS pushed Rubens to the top step of the podium.
Alonso didn't feel that bad about what happened so they get a smaller fine only. ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wonder what your stance would be if as many of you wish Alonso's team mate was Kubica?!

BTW, this was a rhetorical question.

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The same?!? Yes, it's rhetorical question, because my answer is simply logical and not emotional.

It's funny how much of You guys wants to throw Ferrari out of Championships, erase their points, etc. And why can't we throw out McLaren and Red Bull? There is always an evidence for a crime. It would be very exciting to watch HRT fighting with VR because there will be no one left.

F1 is money and money are from winning, not for fairness an nobleness.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It was allegedly because MS pushed Rubens to the top step of the podium.
Alonso didn't feel that bad about what happened so they get a smaller fine only. ;)

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Indeed. Breaching podium etiquette is 10x worse than race fixing.

Let's hope the WMSC show some balls and strip Ferrari of their constructors points for the weekend, and Alonso of his win.

Ferrari were fined *by the WMSC* in 2002. They've been set on that path again this time, but it'll apparently be Sep 10th before the Council meets.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

More like "how is he after we shafted him?". Any respect I had for Alonso went out the window today.

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You mean you still had respect for him after Singapore 2008?! Please say I misunderstood you.

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Originally Posted by ojciec dyrektor

The same?!? Yes, it's rhetorical question, because my answer is simply logical and not emotional.

It's funny how much of You guys wants to throw Ferrari out of Championships, erase their points, etc. And why can't we throw out McLaren and Red Bull? There is always an evidence for a crime. It would be very exciting to watch HRT fighting with VR because there will be no one left.

F1 is money and money are from winning, not for fairness an nobleness.

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You are not supposed to answer a rhetorical question, because the answer is already given by the one who asks the question.
It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

So what should he have done, missed a few gears and stayed behind Massa to get in trouble with Vettel?
Team cheating, disgrace, scum...
I get the feeling some of you are getting a bit carried away simply because it's Alonso :)

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I made up theories? Where? :confused:

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So, the "possibility" that Vettel would have caught up to Alonso is a fact? :-/

Also, I wonder how Alonso was being held up by Massa when the gap was around a second or 8 tenths for a good 4 laps before the "clean overtake" by Alonso. :rolleyes: