Hamilton's Driving

yes, i think there is too much over-abundant nationalism in Spain for Fred that goes way over the top to the point of fans being willing to do anything possible to put hamilton down.

I did not like his driving last week nor did I like it this week either.
But i did not like the crash reactions of the fans either. Clear joy was in the air when he crashed. Going off course with a tire or wheel issue is a potentially extremely serious and even fatal accident.

It smacks of racism as it seems to go beyond fun, although I defended the fans in the last big controversy as no one was celebrating this type of accident.

Bottom line, it is probably not racism but extremism where anything possible is tossed in a very mean fashion. The color difference makes it appear racist, but if it were vettel, button or webber who was the one who had been the prior team mate and so forth, then they would be screaming whatever nasty slang terms and curses they could find at vettel, et al,.

I also did not like the reaction of the crowd for the podium either, all for FA and very little respect for Webber or Vettel. (if the skin color of one of those guys was different than people would be calling it racist, but.....)

Do not like webber's style, comments and character for a number of reasons, but the guy drove like a true veteran champion, and deserved better than he got today from the fans.

even if they do not "deserve" the victory, nevertheless it is not accceptable to act you want to go nuts and inflict pain upon the person.

For all fans, this is suppose to be entertaining, fun, enjoyable. I would leave the soccer holigans and holiganism to the those fans and countries that want it, but NOT in F1. Maybe a little kool aid for some of the fans in some countries might not be a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You forgot to say that some of them are racist too, but I guess those are details only.

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I am afraid that is a mere sad reflection on society in general. The UK is certainly not devoid of such detritus. You learn to ignore it and pity such people rather than despise them. After all , they are simply naive.

I would not suggest for one moment that the majority of the Spanish F1 crowd is the same as those morons a few years back who forgot where the shoe polish should be applied.........

In fact, the rivaly betwixt Lewis and Fred is no different to that betwixt Mansell & Senna. ALl good harmless fun for the majority.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

yes, i think there is too much over-abundant nationalism in Spain for Fred that goes way over the top to the point of fans being willing to do anything possible to put hamilton down.

I did not like his driving last week nor did I like it this week either.
But i did not like the crash reactions of the fans either. Clear joy was in the air when he crashed. Going off course with a tire or wheel issue is a potentially extremely serious and even fatal accident.

It smacks of racism as it seems to go beyond fun, although I defended the fans in the last big controversy as no one was celebrating this type of accident.

Bottom line, it is probably not racism but extremism where anything possible is tossed in a very mean fashion. The color difference makes it appear racist, but if it were vettel, button or webber who was the one who had been the prior team mate and so forth, then they would be screaming whatever nasty slang terms and curses they could find at vettel, et al,.

I also did not like the reaction of the crowd for the podium either, all for FA and very little respect for Webber or Vettel. (if the skin color of one of those guys was different than people would be calling it racist, but.....)

Do not like webber's style, comments and character for a number of reasons, but the guy drove like a true veteran champion, and deserved better than he got today from the fans.

even if they do not "deserve" the victory, nevertheless it is not accceptable to act you want to go nuts and inflict pain upon the person.

For all fans, this is suppose to be entertaining, fun, enjoyable. I would leave the soccer holigans and holiganism to the those fans and countries that want it, but NOT in F1. Maybe a little kool aid for some of the fans in some countries might not be a bad idea.

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I take your point, but I think it is no different to the delight on the fans faces when Ayrton ran out of juice in '91 or '92. I think Mansell sensed it could have been uncomfortable for Ayrton, and gave him a lift back, but of course, that is not a llowed now - how nice would it have been if Alonso had stopped for Lewis......?????

It would only be racist if the fans delight was because he is mixed race. If they are delighted because the home favourite gains a place, is that wrong?

Don't tar them (the Spanish crowd) all with the same brush.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I take your point, but I think it is no different to the delight on the fans faces when Ayrton ran out of juice in '91 or '92. I think Mansell sensed it could have been uncomfortable for Ayrton, and gave him a lift back, but of course, that is not a llowed now - how nice would it have been if Alonso had stopped for Lewis......?????

It would only be racist if the fans delight was because he is mixed race. If they are delighted because the home favourite gains a place, is that wrong?

Don't tar them (the Spanish crowd) all with the same brush.

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true enough, and while i previously defended some of them for making fun of his skin color a couple of years ago (and drew the ire of some around here), it is quite different to be running out of gas as distinguished from running into a wall at high speed and fans carrying on.....

like i said, probably not racism as the primary motivation, but it is the worse sort of behavior just the same.

And when somthing like that happens and a driver moves up, it is NOT because the driver was demonstrating superior skill by out running him, he was just lucky

It was a TYRE BLOW OUT.

All thoose fastest laps.


http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=48370

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, as you said, pathetic answer. IMO you were better off if you just sucked it in and kept silent on this one.

Can you keep a straight face while you deny the racist actions against Lewis at the Spanish races during recent seasons?
And I also mentioned that it's not all Spanish fans but some of them, certainly this little detail went by in your frenzy to find something negative about all the Romanians, and all you could come up is the biggest cliche about vampires!

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I didn't see blacking up as racist, and thought it was quite a beat-up, to be honest.

The joke was in them dressing up as Hamiltons family, wearing 'Alonso #1' T-shirts. That would be no different from Hamilton fans donning accentuated eyebrows and dressing in 'Hamilton #1' shirts.

Tyre failure is unlikely to be the primary cause of the incident. McLaren recognised that it was most probably due to a wheel failure straight after the crash and it would be a bit strange to accept responsibility when the fault might not be with them. I hope from their point of view it's not another manufacturing issue and was caused by outside factors such as a stone.

Such a pity because we had another superb performance from Hamilton again. Excellent driving to avoid the Virgin AND keep his place during the pit exit.

Just get the feeling Hamilton is the unluckiest driver on the grid taking Webbers crown.

No matter what "it" is, whether a bedazzling drive, a dubious manoeuvre or a full scale scandal, you just know the young Englishman's name will pop up somewhere. He just seems to be F1 at the moment for all reasons.

As for all this racism nonsense, give it a break. The racists are canvassing the council estates drumming up fear and scaremongering the easily lead. They are not at a F1 race taking the p*ss by blacking up and having a laugh and cheer when their F1 nemesis goes off promoting their favourite Son. Giving credibility to this silliness takes the focus off the real bigots.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

And when somthing like that happens and a driver moves up, it is NOT because the driver was demonstrating superior skill by out running him, he was just lucky

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Maybe, but I see is that as all the more reason to cheer - Hamilton was unhurt in a fairly uneventful off, and the luck given to Alonso was appreciated by the fans....

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Originally Posted by henners88

That could be perceived as light hearted behaviour, but that wasn't the only action which confirmed the racist element. When Lewis and his father were walking between areas of the paddock, they received loud racist chants which the ITV comentators at the time condemned. It was sickening and suggested quite a large proportion of the crowd had joined in. I also remember Lewis had come close to a 'blackened' chap when signing autographs. Its all forgotten about now and thankfully we haven't seen anything like it since.. :)

PS its not just the Spanish fans, and similar behaviour was seen in Brazil 08, so I would not tar all Spanish fans with the same brush. Its just a handfull of uneducated low life's who bring shame on the perception of those around them.

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When I was at Spa in 2008 there was a significant minority of the crowd who made racist chants and even made monkey noises when Hamilton came past. I don't know what nationality they were, but it was extremely sad.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

When I was at Spa in 2008 there was a significant minority of the crowd who made racist chants and even made monkey noises when Hamilton came past. I don't know what nationality they were, but it was extremely sad.

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To quote Macca & Stevie....

"there is good and bad, in everyone"

:)