Almost official: USF1 wouldn't race in 2010

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28th February 2010, 15:06
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

No offence but remember that many of us Europeans travel a lot more than you guys and learn geography much more as well, at least in this country, so we know exactly how large and diverse the US is. And the diversity is still pretty small compared to the differences between different European countries.

Howeever there is a great deal of difference in understanding any country when living there for a long time and visiting.

You cannot compare "Europe" to the United States: Europe is not a country and, no country in Europe is in any way like the United States. Actually no country in the world is like the United States.
28th February 2010, 15:08
truefan72

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

No offence but remember that many of us Europeans travel a lot more than you guys and learn geography much more as well, at least in this country, so we know exactly how large and diverse the US is. And the diversity is still pretty small compared to the differences between different European countries.

Is this a pissing contest?

the point made by the saint is in terms of autosport and not some geopolitical statement.

Why not focus on the subject at hand rather than engage in a strong defense of European diversity. lol That's not what the topic was about and no one was offending Europeans.
28th February 2010, 15:09
truefan72

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Originally Posted by petar74

I definatly have to agree,we have an idea of the size of US ,still EUrope as hole isnt any smaller at all, Russia is even bigger and diversity in Europe is much more obvious,finaly language is different in each of the countries.

And about performance in F1 ,if you look the drivers wich gone from F1 to states to drive they manage to make names for them selfs even those wich didnt go well in F1. F1 one is much more slick game much more tehnical and definaly harder ,in US you can with enough money, get parts from her and there and make team and the car wich would be more or less same as others in F1 simply you cant,that is main reason that usualy new teams start from old ones ,and gaining experiance and parts from old ones.

Even such companies as Mercedes,BMW,Renault wich defianly have know how to build a car didnt start makeing their F1 cars from scratch.

While we talk about difference btw US and Europe I am thinking ,how big opsticle in buiding a car are measurments. In US people use imperial measures while in Europe people use metric ones and conversion isnt so straight forward as one might think.And many parts for F1 car you have to get from Europian companies because they only produce them.

I work in engeenering and I can "feel" how much is 10 cm but hardly I can "feel" how much is 4 inches even if that is near 10 cm (acctualy 10.16 cm wich is enough difference that two parts would not fit,10 cm is almoust exactly 3 inches and 30/32 ,you see..to complicated ! ) :)

so what exactly is your point?
28th February 2010, 15:36
petar74

Point is truefan72 if you agree with Saint Devore that becuase of deversity of US no one cares about US team in F1 ,why the hell you have botheret at all ??

Saying that Europians know nothing about US doesent stand,even if some of us wasnt there belive me ,we are flushed with so much things from US that we definatly know much more about US then people of US know about rest of the world.

If you as American expected to crash in F1 and be best just to show how it is done..well,it didnt happend.

Second part was just a question what you guys think could such thing as meassure system make a problem in building a car,nothign else.

Just dont get me wrong I do not have anythign against Americans as nation or people who live there even I had a chance to meet some and with some I am a frined.
28th February 2010, 16:38
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Is this a pissing contest?

the point made by the saint is in terms of autosport and not some geopolitical statement.

Why not focus on the subject at hand rather than engage in a strong defense of European diversity. lol That's not what the topic was about and no one was offending Europeans.

Sorry I didn't mean that, my point didn't come across, obviously. What I'm trying to say is that I think F1 people realise how difficult market US is, they are aware how big and diverse it is (and so are we).
28th February 2010, 18:30
truefan72

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Sorry I didn't mean that, my point didn't come across, obviously. What I'm trying to say is that I think F1 people realise how difficult market US is, they are aware how big and diverse it is (and so are we).

:up:

point well taken
28th February 2010, 18:41
truefan72

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Originally Posted by petar74

Point is truefan72 if you agree with Saint Devore that becuase of deversity of US no one cares about US team in F1 ,why the hell you have botheret at all ??

Saying that Europians know nothing about US doesent stand,even if some of us wasnt there belive me ,we are flushed with so much things from US that we definatly know much more about US then people of US know about rest of the world.

If you as American expected to crash in F1 and be best just to show how it is done..well,it didnt happend.

Second part was just a question what you guys think could such thing as meassure system make a problem in building a car,nothign else.

Just dont get me wrong I do not have anythign against Americans as nation or people who live there even I had a chance to meet some and with some I am a frined.

ok first of all I am not american. Just live here

the point I was making is that you lost the gist of what he was saying by taking offense to particular words without understanding the meaning or in context. Nobody is/was belittling the Europeans or calling them naive in terms of understanding the US. just pointing out that amongst other issues with F1 in the Us, one should not forget it is more of a subcontinent than an actual country and thus opinions regarding F1 can be skewed.

an F1 race in a proper location in the Us could get as many as 200to 250k people showing up on race day and close to 500k for an entire weekend. Indy in-fact was close to those figures earlier on. the one thing that the us market has is numbers rather than percentages. Even a viewing audience itself can be skewed. If you say speed coverage only got a 0.8 share on races, ( which by US TV standards is really low) that is still about 1.3 million+ people watching on a sunday morning at 7am.

Anyway, I see your point as well so lets just say there are many aspects to the situation.

What we can all agree on, is that USF1 is a debacle!

btw. I don't think the measuring system is an issue, since race cars have been built there for close to a century now ;)
28th February 2010, 19:19
petar74

Situation have definaly different angle for any of participan in it and us as stand by waching

When I mention meassure system ,I meant on the fact that some of the parts ar emade in countries wich use metric system and some would (in case of USF1) in states wich sue imperial system .

That defianly cant be rason for not makeing the car I was just wondering ,I had car made in UK with imperial measure and any change of any part was a problem because was huge deal to finde proper wrench ! :)
1st March 2010, 00:44
garyshell

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Originally Posted by petar74

Situation have definaly different angle for any of participan in it and us as stand by waching

When I mention meassure system ,I meant on the fact that some of the parts ar emade in countries wich use metric system and some would (in case of USF1) in states wich sue imperial system .

That defianly cant be rason for not makeing the car I was just wondering ,I had car made in UK with imperial measure and any change of any part was a problem because was huge deal to finde proper wrench ! :)

American and European companies colabrate on desings all the time in many different industries. The measurment system differencse are not an issue at all.

Gary
1st March 2010, 01:01
Giuseppe F1

USF1/Hurley now ask to defer entry to 2011 and willing to place a 'substantial 7-figure' bond to prove intent to race

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...ay-until-2011/

F1: USF1 Asks For Delay Until 2011
Written by: SPEED Staff
SPEEDtv.com
02/28/2010
Charlotte, NC

SPEEDtv.com has learned that the struggling start-up USF1 Formula 1 team has formally petitioned the FIA to defer the team's entry into the sport until 2011.

Team principals Ken Anderson and Chad Hurley have offered to post a “substantial, seven-figure” surety bond as proof of their intentions to race next year.

The request for a deferment follows a breakdown in merger discussions between USF1 and the Spanish Campos Meta team. The Serbian-based Stefan GP team also had made overtures about working with USF1, but those talks also failed to yield anything substantive....

....Contrary to media speculation elsewhere, Hurley is still very much involved in the USF1 effort.

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