The first ACTUAL pic of the DeltaWing

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Originally Posted by garyshell

What? You mean all these doubters don't have x-ray vision and telepathic powers to examine the car in detail from the comfort of their overstuffed arm chairs. Say it ain't so! I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!

Gary

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You don't need X-Ray vision, just a bit of knowlege of physics. That thing will not turn if it only has conventional type steering. Why do you think dragsters, and land speed record cars are built like that?

Now the thing that this car does have going for it is the "differential steering". That should help it quite a bit, as long as it doesn't go haywire. But hey, when was the last time something on a race car didn't work exaclty as it was supposed to?

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Originally Posted by Chamoo

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but everyone on here saying that the thing won't turn is slapping Ben Bowlby right in the face. Considering this man does this for a living, and knows whether this thing will turn or not, I'm willing to throw my trust behind him. Maybe you should atleast give him the benefit of the doubt that the car will turn when he says it will.

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Ben Bowlby himself said that this is just a concept. And even Ben Bowlby cannot change the laws of physics.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You don't need X-Ray vision, just a bit of knowlege of physics. That thing will not turn if it only has conventional type steering. Why do you think dragsters, and land speed record cars are built like that?

Now the thing that this car does have going for it is the "differential steering". That should help it quite a bit, as long as it doesn't go haywire. But hey, when was the last time something on a race car didn't work exaclty as it was supposed to?

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Bowlby said it would have conventional steering (=via the front wheels).

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Originally Posted by Lousada

Bowlby said it would have conventional steering (=via the front wheels).

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Got quote? All reports I read said differential steering.

Gary

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You don't need X-Ray vision, just a bit of knowlege of physics. That thing will not turn if it only has conventional type steering. Why do you think dragsters, and land speed record cars are built like that?

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Wow really? Gee, I never would have known. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Now the thing that this car does have going for it is the "differential steering". That should help it quite a bit, as long as it doesn't go haywire. But hey, when was the last time something on a race car didn't work exaclty as it was supposed to?

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Well, hell then lets take the wings, brakes, fuel valves etc off the cars. None of this new fangled technology stuff can be trusted at all.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Well, hell then lets take the wings, brakes, fuel valves etc off the cars. None of this new fangled technology stuff can be trusted at all.

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I'm not saying that it can't be trusted. Just that it is something new, and must go through a pretty exhausting testing phase before I'll put my total trust in it.

Remember that in the 60's lots of wings failed. Same goes for all the other "new" stuff. Again, I'm not saying that it won't work, just that I'd need to see quite a bit of testing before I'd put my total faith in it (ie: run a whole series dependent on this tech.)

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I'm not saying that it can't be trusted. Just that it is something new, and must go through a pretty exhausting testing phase before I'll put my total trust in it.

Remember that in the 60's lots of wings failed. Same goes for all the other "new" stuff. Again, I'm not saying that it won't work, just that I'd need to see quite a bit of testing before I'd put my total faith in it (ie: run a whole series dependent on this tech.)

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Chuck, you make a good point. Innovation is a wonderful thing - but it could be very dangerous in a spec series. The 60's were great because there were a lot of cars that tried new ideas and fundamentally failed - which is fine for 1 car but not for a field of them.... There are also lots of ideas tried on cars that basically failed that were later integrated into highly successful cars....

I like the concept behind the Delta wing - perhaps not so much the exact look - but they are going ot have to be very careful to make sure everything is PERFECT if it is going to be another spec car.....

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Got quote? All reports I read said differential steering.

Gary

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He said it on the radio, I think on Trackside with Curt Cavin.

I think the worries about the steering is a VERY valid point. It is the one thing that I view about this car that I do find questions with is the steering. Bowlby's contention that differential steering would help sounds a little too Star Wars for my taste.

That I think will be the change that will happen to this concept when the car hits the track. The Deltawing will likely have a shorter nose, wider front track and more conventional ideas. I think the steering is one thing but I also now think the suspension and tracking of that front end will be more complicated in that front end. That said...he is the engineer, I am just a track rat. Let him continue on...his claims and ideas are refreshing..and god knows this sport needs a clearing of the air on ideas.

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