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IMO this story doesn't have credibility as Piquet Sr is not so stupid as to turn in his son.Quote:
Originally Posted by inimitablestoo
Either Piquet Jr had the idea, which I have my doubts about and than Piquet Sr wouldn't go straight to max to report it.
Or Someone else had the idea and Jr was pressured into doing it or else bye bye F1 seat and in this case I believe it that Piquet Sr might have reported it.
Wouldn't put anything past the Piquets, me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
What this story does all but confirm, is that the crash was most definately deliberate, and for the sole benefit
Of Alonso.
This is bad news for Fred, as that is two negatives from ywo seperate teams.
Be interesting to see this pan out now, cos the poop is gonna hit the fan for sure.
Interesting views from James Allens blog - With Symonds and Briatore all but admitting that this conversation to deliberatly crash DID happen, then I reckon this will be a real nail in the coffin - Will be interesting if the whole team is punished (I.e. a Renault exclusion, or whether the individuals involved will be the main bearers of any punishment and or even criminal charges:
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/0...crash-meeting/
Explosive new information on Renault pre-crash meeting
Posted on | September 9, 2009 | by James AllengravatarcloseAuthor: James Allen Name: James Allen
Email: [email:2xdc0a8i]editor@jamesallenonf1.com[/email:2xdc0a8i]
Site: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com
Autosport is carrying a story this evening with some amazing revelations about a meeting which took place between Renault’s Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr at Singapore last year.
Piquet at centre of huge storm (Photo: Darren Heath)
Piquet at centre of huge storm (Photo: Darren Heath)
Renault stand accused of deliberately causing Piquet to crash, just after Alonso’s early first pit stop, in order to give Alonso the chance to win the race, as the rest of the field would pit under the ensuing safety car.
The first ever night race, the Singapore Grand Prix was sponsored by Renault’s title sponsor, ING, making it a perfect day for them.
Autosport’s Jon Noble quotes ’sources’, in his report as follows:
“Sources claim that in evidence submitted to the FIA by Nelson Piquet, the Brazilian driver says he was asked by Briatore and Symonds to crash deliberately early in the race so as to help Alonso win.
“Piquet says that he agreed to do so because he felt uncomfortable about his situation at the team, with Renault having not renewed his contract for 2009 at that time – and Briatore was stalling on making a firm commitment. Piquet suggests that he only went ahead and caused the accident because he felt he would be rewarded for his actions.
“In his evidence, Piquet claims that he was taken aside by Symonds after the first meeting and instructured that he should crash on lap 13 or 14, shortly after Alonso’s scheduled first stop, at Turn 17.
“The reason this part of the track was singled out was because there were no cranes present there to lift the car away, so any accident would virtually guarantee a safety car.”
The story has echoes of the blood scandal in rugby last season, when a Harlequins player was instructed by the team manager to fake a blood injury using stage blood, in order to get a specialist kicker onto the pitch.
Autosport goes on on say that the information was given to FIA president Max Mosley by Nelson Piquet Sr on July 26th. This was the day of the Hungarian Grand Prix. That same day Renault were charged for releasing Alonso’s unsafe car back into the race after a pit stop. That infringement initially got them a one race ban, which was lifted on appeal, but it germinated the notion that the team was not acting safely.
Since then the Singapore issue has been extensively investigated by an FIA team, assisted by representatives of Quest, a leading independent investigative firm, run by former Metropolitan police chief Lord Stevens, which Mosley hired last year to look into who set up the sting on him in the News of the World.
This is an extremely serious allegation and if proven, is far more serious than the McLaren spy case of 2007 because it concerns putting the lives of the driver, the marshals and potentially the public at risk. If proven the race fixing aspect of it would have a very negative impact on the image of the sport, just as it is emerging from the instability of the teams’ breakaway threat.
According to the story, both Symonds and Briatore deny Piquet’s account. They accept that the meeting took place, but say that the idea of crashing was not theirs – two men’s word against one.
Interestingly in the evidence which has come to light thus far, there is no suggestion that Fernando Alonso, who was the main beneficiary of Piquet’s accident and who is hoping to be unveiled as a Ferrari driver shortly, had any part in the planning of it.
The hearing before the World Council, will take place on Monday September 21st.
Wow! Somebody is lying.
Good Lord, I hope that is not true!
I will have a completely new perspective on the sport and be embarassed to be labeled a "fan" :s
So there really was something behind this, I though it was all just hot air. Sad day for F1.
Here's the actual Autosport link JA mentions: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78446
Okay, right there they ADMIT there was a conspiracy to cause an accident, and thus bring out the SC, yes? In a sense, whoever came up with the idea is irrelevant - all that matters is the plan.Quote:
Piquet's claims have, however, been denied by both Briatore and Symonds in documents that are believed to have been submitted with the FIA. Although they confirm that the meeting between the three of them took place, both suggest that it was Piquet's own suggestion to cause an accident.
And...
Well, well.Quote:
A report in Italian magazine Autosprint also suggests that telemetry data from Piquet's car has emerged as another reason why the matter has gone to the WMSC.
At Turn 17 where Piquet crashed, normally the rear wheels of the Renault would lose grip on the exit - requiring the driver to ease off the throttle briefly. However, on the lap he crashed, Piquet kept accelerating even though the rear wheels had lost grip.
Not good, is it? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
If there is evidence to suggest deliberate wrong-doing, is it possible that the Singapore authorities launch their own investigation into a possible criminal offense?
yea they want to "cane" piquet and flavio :)