It's time to screw Russia over

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29th August 2008, 07:46
gadjo_dilo

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

The war against terrorism was legitimate in Afghanistan. As you can see today Al-Qaeda cells have almost evaporated. I've always been a disbeliever with the connection of terrorism to Iraq and in my view initially was an unjust war. What I am saying now is that 'the ends justify the means.' The Iraq War in the future may be seen as a war of survival. Resources over human lives..

I see....The ends justify the means...Maybe russians have the same reason.... Maybe what they do now is illegal but what they'll get at the end....

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The option was on the table for other countries to participate in Iraq. What was bound to happen is that all of the naysayers are now going to want a piece of the pie when it comes to Iraq's oil. America can deny this, but hasn't and already other foreign countries, aside from the U.S., have been investing money into Iraq...

Ha! I won't speak in the name of other countries but mine. What options did we have when USA wanted the war and our aim was to enter NATO ?

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Also, do you really think Americans care if anyone is anti-American? This is a nation built on a platform of failure after the Revolutionary War. All of the brains in Europe believed that America was doomed to fail and now the United States is eating their lunch.

I don't think they care, I think they SHOULD care. :laugh:
29th August 2008, 11:55
ioan

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

You don't seem to realise that the PRC isn't just selling to the US. The PRC it's self has a huge population and consumerism is booming, when you have 1.3 billion people to buy stuff do you really think they care if the US stops buying from them?

So tell us how can an economy grow if they produce only for themselves?! Where do they get the extra money for growth?

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

"Not even Europe can consume as much as the US!"

I'm not sure where you get this from, do you have any more information? ie just what are they consuming more of? I've seen lots of ''crap" made in the PRC being sold in Europe.

Ofcourse there are Chinese products sold in Europe, however Europeans on average earn significantly less money than Americans and they also pay much more for food, rent, cars, computers and fuel. So their possibilities to buy Chinese stuff is way less than for Americans.

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

The computer you are using at the moment, where was it made? My Compaq laptop was made in the PRC.

Mine says it was made in Ireland! :D

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Europe

"In 2005 the population of Europe was estimated to be 728 million according to the United Nations, which is slightly more than one-ninth of the world's population."

Latest figure for the US is just over 300 million and I dare say that most economies in Europe are in far better shape than the US.

Glad I have my Halliburton shares....

Take a look at how much money they earn and you'll see what I mean.
29th August 2008, 12:04
ioan

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I see....The ends justify the means...Maybe russians have the same reason.... Maybe what they do now is illegal but what they'll get at the end....

You mean that slavery and dictatorship would justify what they do now?! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ha! I won't speak in the name of other countries but mine. What options did we have when USA wanted the war and our aim was to enter NATO ?

No to go to war, and thus waiting a bit more for the NATO integration?
Do you think that they didn't want us in the NATO as much as we wanted it?!

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I don't think they care, I think they SHOULD care. :laugh:

Why should they care?
Do you care about what people you don't know think about you? I sure don't.
29th August 2008, 12:14
ioan

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29th August 2008, 13:31
BDunnell

Well, one question now is whether Russia will go through with restricting oil supplies to the West. If it does, will it not effectively be imposing economic sanctions on itself? I don't know the extent to which Russian oil producers would start feeling the pinch if they lose their Western customers.
29th August 2008, 20:09
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Well, one question now is whether Russia will go through with restricting oil supplies to the West. If it does, will it not effectively be imposing economic sanctions on itself? I don't know the extent to which Russian oil producers would start feeling the pinch if they lose their Western customers.

Their incomes will go downhill on a steep slope.
Since the whole Georgian incident started, their biggest company, Gazprom lost 50% of it's value!
29th August 2008, 21:01
Tomi

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Originally Posted by ioan

Their incomes will go downhill on a steep slope.
Since the whole Georgian incident started, their biggest company, Gazprom lost 50% of it's value!

You understand maybe that it is ostensible market value, and Gazproms biggest owner is I guess Russian federation, so how will it make their economy go downhill? Please explain.
30th August 2008, 00:40
Drew

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Well, one question now is whether Russia will go through with restricting oil supplies to the West. If it does, will it not effectively be imposing economic sanctions on itself? I don't know the extent to which Russian oil producers would start feeling the pinch if they lose their Western customers.

Wouldn't they just sell to China instead?
30th August 2008, 06:18
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I see....The ends justify the means...Maybe russians have the same reason.... Maybe what they do now is illegal but what they'll get at the end....

Sure, you're right. The only difference is the Georgia is a free and democratic nation as opposed to Iraq, which I'm sure you'll agree, was ruled by a cruel dictator who loved to torture and kill thousands of people.

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Ha! I won't speak in the name of other countries but mine. What options did we have when USA wanted the war and our aim was to enter NATO ?

First I have to know where you're from to comment further.

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I don't think they care, I think they SHOULD care. :laugh:

No, America should not care what others think. How would that be productive? The U.S. has always been different in just about every aspect in regards to Europe and that individuality is what makes it a beacon of success.
30th August 2008, 06:25
gloomyDAY

Can we get back on topic?

Georgia has cut off ties with Russia. I don't blame the Georgians since Russia decided to side with the separatists, oh, I almost forgot, and break international law. I'm sure Russia would probably be upset as well if Chechnya were suddenly recognized and funded by a more powerful foreign entity.

Also, the U.N has taken splendid photos of Georgians being wiped out in South Ossetia. I'm still curious if anyone will defend Russia since ethnic cleaning has now been initiated.

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