Your point being?! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Printable View
Your point being?! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Strange, on the Max topic your incredible reasonable. But as soon as someone has a different opinion to yourself you come across very childish, in similar way to MSStill or whatever his name is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I didn't say English was the languange in France or China, I said its an international language, i.e the language which is most commonly used when nations communicate with eachother.
Taking into account the media is at the heart of globalisation, the large majority of the media population would have a very good basic understanding of the English language, if not fluent in it.
And your sterotyping me as well, I'm not a McLaren, Lewis or Heikki fan.
I just try to be objective and not let my favouritism or hatism (if thats a word) affect my judgement.
You still haven't come back to me about the Brazil 2007 inicident. No one made a fuss about it.......
I appreciate this post was not directed to me, but I think majority of McLaren fans accept that the team orders used in Brazil last year made sense. The post after yours by "McLaren fans" (supposedly anyway), all acknowledge it was reasonable to use them in Brazil 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I don't think its double standards from McLaren fans (well, majority anyway) at all. I think its a matter of equality - giving both drivers a fair shot at title which is what McLaren fans feel. Or unreasonable use of team orders. But when used respectfully and in a sporting way McLaren fans tend to be fair.
Thats my interpretation from what I've seen anyway.
Sold his soul. He might get his first win as soon as Hamilton rams someone else in the pit lane, again, and might as well be never!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Heikki will get his first win when he's quicker in the race than everybody else, including Lewis.
Simple as.
In fact, the only countries having English written press are the English speaking countries. So all the big news papers in the world are actually written in each countries language, which doesn't automatically makes them lesser as the English ones, no matter what English speaking people might think.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
So just because something isn't reported in the English written press it doesn't mean that it wasn't reported in at least as important mas media in another country (in our case Finland's F1 transmitting TV channel).
And to further address your claim about English I can tell you that countries do not communicate with each other in English if none of the countries is an English speaking country. In fact they will use translators and all the documents will be printed in both countries languages.
So something being, or for that matter not, reported in English isn't the most important thing, not for those who can use other languages too.
I hope I made myself clear, in plain English. :D
You might start a thesis on this hypothesis. Keep us posted in a few years about your findings!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Ioan - where did I ever say non-English speaking countries have English written press? I hate to sound patronising with this, but please, just read my posts carefully, and maybe just have a quick think before you reply to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Its common sense that press would be published in its host countries language.
And as for the rest, I find it hard to take you seriously. How can you deny that English is not an international language? Just look at Formula 1, every public figure in F1 can speak fluent English.
Yes true on a world stage translators are used, but at G8 summits, or WTO, IMF, World Bank meetings - they're all held in English. Its nothing about English being a neccessarily better language, it all comes down the economy of the world, with America leading the way (currently anyway), being an English speaking country. Just look at the internet, 80% or something are in English, despite only 20% odd of the world who speak English. Its because its an international language.
So back to what we were discussing, English IS an international language. And the media, being an internationally connected business, if something was said which had some credibility to it, it would have caused some kind of stories over here, in France, in Germany, in America.
What I'm pointing out is that your source is one Finnish website without any quotes, literally just an interpretation of his reaction. If it had any substance, it would have made the F1 media on an international basis, you can't say only reason you haven't got reliable source is because it was in Finnish. A more likely reason you can't find it is because it didn't have any substance whatsoever.
Well presumably by saying Ferrari owned up to it, and McLaren do it on the sly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Well that wasn't the case, Ferrari did tell Rubens to do it at last minute like that - Rubens decided to do it that way.
If thats not what you were refering to my apologies.
Just to end this debate:
Heikki said to Turun Sanomat -which is not a tabloid but a very respectable daily- in Finnish:
"- Ne sanoivat, että Lewis on takana ja on nopeampi kuin minä. Ei siinä muuta sanottu. Näin itse, että hän oli siellä ja oli ihan oikeutettu juttu, että talli neuvoi päästämään hänet ohitse, Kovalainen kertaili."
In English this is:
- They told me that Lewis is behind me and that he´s faster than me. That´s all that was said. I saw him there myself and its fully justifed that the team ADVISED me to let him pass me.
So you see that people actually quoted the wrong parts of the Turun Sanomat story. So YES there was team orders. YES Heikki was pissed but probably more about his own performance. YES it was a sensible thing to do for McLaren. And YES these things happen and they will happen in F1.